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Dev Mode is their new workspace in Figma that's designed to bring developers and design to the same tool.\n\nThe question they're trying to answer is \"How do you create a home for developers in a design tool?\" We go way back to Emil's startup that was acquired by Figma called Visly, how we iterated to here from 20 years ago (think PSD > HTML days), what they did to build Dev Mode, what they're doing around codegen, the popularity of design systems, and what it takes to go from zero to Dev Mode.","\u003Cp>This week on we’re joined by Emil Sjölander from Figma — talking about bringing Dev Mode to Figma. Dev Mode is their new workspace in Figma that’s designed to bring developers and design to the same tool.\u003C/p>\n\u003Cp>The question they’re trying to answer is “How do you create a home for developers in a design tool?” We go way back to Emil’s startup that was acquired by Figma called Visly, how we iterated to here from 20 years ago (think PSD > HTML days), what they did to build Dev Mode, what they’re doing around codegen, the popularity of design systems, and what it takes to go from zero to Dev Mode.\u003C/p>\n\u003Cp>\u003Ca href=\"https://changelog.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/456187-interviews\">Join the discussion\u003C/a>\u003C/p>\u003Cp>\u003Ca href=\"https://changelog.com/++\" rel=\"payment\">Changelog++\u003C/a> members get a bonus 5 minutes at the end of this episode and zero ads. Join today!\u003C/p>\u003Cp>Sponsors:\u003C/p>\u003Cp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https://neon.tech\">Neon\u003C/a> – The fully managed serverless Postgres with a generous free tier. We separate storage and compute to offer autoscaling, branching, and bottomless storage.\n\u003C/li>\n\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https://socket.dev/?utm_source=changelog&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=changelog-interviews\">Socket\u003C/a> – Secure your supply chain and ship with confidence. \u003Ca href=\"https://socket.dev/features/github?utm_source=changelog&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=changelog-interviews\">Install the GitHub app\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://socket.dev/demo?utm_source=changelog&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=changelog-interviews\">book a demo\u003C/a> or \u003Ca href=\"https://socket.dev/features?utm_source=changelog&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=changelog-interviews\">learn more\u003C/a>\n\u003C/li>\n\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https://deploy.equinix.com/traceroute/\">Traceroute\u003C/a> – Listen and follow Season 3 of Traceroute starting November 2 on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts!\n\u003C/li>\n\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https://fly.io/changelog\">Fly.io\u003C/a> – \u003Cstrong>The home of Changelog.com\u003C/strong> — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at \u003Ca href=\"https://fly.io/changelog\">fly.io/changelog\u003C/a> and check out \u003Ca href=\"https://fly.io/docs/speedrun/\">the speedrun in their docs\u003C/a>.\n\u003C/li>\n\u003C/ul>\u003C/p>\u003Cp>Featuring:\u003C/p>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>Emil Sjölander – \u003Ca href=\"https://github.com/emilsjolander\" rel=\"external ugc\">GitHub\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://x.com/emilsjolander\" rel=\"external ugc\">X\u003C/a>\u003C/li>\u003Cli>Adam Stacoviak – \u003Ca href=\"https://adamstacoviak.com/\" rel=\"external ugc\">Website\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://github.com/adamstac\" rel=\"external ugc\">GitHub\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamstacoviak\" rel=\"external ugc\">LinkedIn\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://changelog.social/@adam\" rel=\"external ugc\">Mastodon\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://x.com/adamstac\" rel=\"external ugc\">X\u003C/a>\u003C/li>\u003Cli>Jerod Santo – \u003Ca href=\"https://jerodsanto.net\" rel=\"external ugc\">Website\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://github.com/jerodsanto\" rel=\"external ugc\">GitHub\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerodsanto\" rel=\"external ugc\">LinkedIn\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://changelog.social/@jerod\" rel=\"external ugc\">Mastodon\u003C/a>, \u003Ca href=\"https://x.com/jerodsanto\" rel=\"external ugc\">X\u003C/a>\u003C/li>\u003C/ul>\u003C/p>\u003Cp>Show Notes:\u003C/p>\u003Cp>\u003Cul>\n\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https://www.figma.com/blog/how-we-built-dev-mode/\">Dev Mode: Building a design tool that works harder for developers\u003C/a>\u003C/li>\n\u003C/ul>\n\u003C/p>\u003Cp>Something missing or broken? \u003Ca href=\"https://github.com/thechangelog/show-notes/blob/master/podcast/the-changelog-567.md\">PRs welcome!\u003C/a>\u003C/p>","https://op3.dev/e/https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/podcast/567/the-changelog-567.mp3","audio/mpeg",74270897,"Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:50:00 +0000",4631,"https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/covers/changelog-interviews-original.png?v=63848368174","full","https://changelog.com/podcast/567",{"chapters":116,"persons":119},{"url":117,"type":118},"https://changelog.com/podcast/567/chapters","application/json+chapters",[120,121,122],{"name":19,"role":20,"img":21,"href":22},{"name":24,"role":20,"img":25,"href":26},{"name":123,"role":124,"img":125,"href":126},"Emil Sjölander","guest","https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/avatars/people/2bkPm/avatar_large.jpg?v=63867811411","https://changelog.com/person/emilsjolander",null,1771793552606]