#define: props to astronomer (Friends)
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
1hr 6min Jul 25, 2025
Welcome back to #define, our game of obscure jargon, fake definitions, and expert tomfoolery. This time we’re joined by three Changelog++ members, to see who has the best vocabulary and who can trick everyone else into thinking that they do.
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Featuring:
- Jamie Tanna – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Spencer Lyon – GitHub, LinkedIn, X
- E. David Aja – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Bluesky, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
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Jerod Santo
Welcome to another awesome episode of \#define, our game of obscure jargon, fake definitions, and expert tomfoolery. Our contestants checked their imposter syndrome at the door, because they either know what these words mean, or they're going to fake it till they make their peers think they do. Adam, you've played this game a lot...
Adam Stacoviak
I've lost every time, Jerod.
Jerod Santo
Are you feeling like you're going to win today?
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, my...
Jerod Santo
Feeling good?
Adam Stacoviak
Well, I'm not on video, so at least -- maybe in the clip, but my face is sad, because I have not won yet. But maybe today. Maybe.
Jerod Santo
You did have a nice accolade. I think our last time we played, one particular listener said your answers were always his favorite.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. Well, you know...
Jerod Santo
So that's kind of a win.
Adam Stacoviak
You've got to win somewhere, right?
Jamie Tanna
That's as good as winning everything, yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
Put that on a dagger. Okay, so for this particular game we decided "Let's get some of our Changelog++ supporters, some of our diehard fans and our listeners to hop on the mic and play with us." So I put out a call and asked if anybody had a good setup, if they were free this afternoon... And I can't remember what else I said. Likes playing silly games...
And we got three respondents. They are all here today. One of them you may know, because he's been on the pod before... It's Jamie Tanna. Jamie, what's up, man?
Jamie Tanna
Hey, great to be back. Been a while...
Jerod Santo
Here you are. You're here now. Are you good at making up fake definitions for real words? We're going to find out... \[laughter\]
Jamie Tanna
I was going to say, that's perfectly real-time "No."
Adam Stacoviak
Okay... Audio listeners only out there - he was not sure what to say.
Jerod Santo
He's like "Gosh, do I go for it or not? Because I'm going to be found out here..."
Adam Stacoviak
"Should I boast, or what...?"
Jerod Santo
We're also joined by Spencer Lyon from Orlando. Welcome, Spencer.
Spencer Lyon
Thanks. Happy to be here. Hopefully -- I'm rooting to maybe extend Adam's losing streak, I don't know. We'll see if Jamie, David and I can make it happen.
Jerod Santo
I think the odds are in your favor.
Spencer Lyon
Three to one, if you're just playing blind.
Jerod Santo
That's true. There's also the spread, because I do get to participate in kind of a strange way... But we should introduce E. David Aja. Welcome, David.
E. David Aja
Thank you. Happy to be here. First time, long time...
Jerod Santo
Happy to have you as well. So how this game works is we have 10 rounds, if we need them all, but we also have a goal of 15 points, which you can score in multiple ways. So I will provide for each round a word, with a couple of rounds that aren't quite standard... But a standard round is a word which comes from the broad-ranging world of STEM. I've been extending it beyond STEM. There's some music, there's some video games... There's anything you might imagine a nerd would love in the mix. And these words are obscure, and sometimes old and quite jargony... If you know the word's definition, you submit to me that. If you submit that correctly right away, you get three points, and you get to sit that round out, because you know the definition. If you don't know the definition, you make one up, you submit that, and then I gather them all together and I read them along with the actual definition, and you all take your turns trying to identify which one is the correct definition. For each person who guesses it correctly at that point, you get two points. And for each person you trick into selecting your definition, you get one point. If nobody after the end of the round actually lands on the correct definition, I, your humble moderator, get four points. First one to 15 points wins. Any questions?
Spencer Lyon
Let's rock.
Jerod Santo
I guess I just explained that so well, there's no questions. Okay, let's start then. Hopping right in to round one, where the word for round one is myoclonus. Myoclonus. That's M-Y-O-C-L-O-N-U-S. Please submit to me your definitions for the word myoclonus now.
Spencer Lyon
Do we get points for making Jerod laugh while reading? That's the question.
Adam Stacoviak
In here, yeah. He would give you a pat on the back.
Spencer Lyon
Get some cred. Some street cred.
Adam Stacoviak
No real official points, but \[unintelligible 00:07:31.28\]
Jerod Santo
You get docked points, by making my job harder.
Jamie Tanna
I was going to say, and then you also have to watch people's faces as they're being read out, to see if someone's like "Oh yeah, that was mine. That was a good one."
Spencer Lyon
That was funny.
Adam Stacoviak
There are some social cues, yeah, that you can look out for... Unless you're me, and I do nothing. I have a stone face here. There's no giveaways. This is poker to me.
Jerod Santo
"This is poker to me..."
Jamie Tanna
There definitely is a giveaway in one of the rounds, and I'm looking forward to taking advantage of that.
Jerod Santo
Hm... I have Spencer's, David's and Jamie's, which means we're just waiting on Adam.
Spencer Lyon
Shocking.
Adam Stacoviak
\[00:08:10.14\] Yeah, I know. Sorry. I don't know how to describe it... I'm working on it.
Jerod Santo
So one suggestion that we've had is to post all the definitions to you all, and then read them once. And that cuts down on the people asking to repeat. Now, I think the asking to repeat is kind of funny, but it does get old. That's kind of the funny part. My fear with -- the reason I haven't done it is because there's a certain amount of tells, even in the text, whether it's misspellings, or the way that I present things, that can sometimes lead to you knowing whether or not it's real. So I'm curious, as we are here in the first round, what you all think about that.
E. David Aja
I mean, if you had some kind of tokenizer that like stripped all the punctuation and things, that might be a way to quickly homogenize things a little bit... But the misspellings thing is probably harder to capture.
Jerod Santo
Right.
Spencer Lyon
I kind of like the spontaneity... It's funny to hear, as a listener, people's reactions. Maybe it's not the best for game integrity, but maybe for entertainment value it's a good choice.
Jerod Santo
The reason why I would lean towards leaving it alone is because as a listener, you don't get the advantage of being able to look at the sentences... And so having them be repeated for you is actually helpful, because you're like "I don't remember what that one was either." And so there's a camaraderie to that, you know... But I fully admit that it's not efficient at all, because you're like "Can you say that one again?" and it gets to be like "Dude, I've said it six times, Adam. Come on, stop."
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, my name's in there?! \[laughter\]
Jerod Santo
Well, you might be the most requester of them all.
Adam Stacoviak
I've played the most. I've played the most.
Jerod Santo
Right.
Jamie Tanna
Yeah, I think no definitions in the chat makes sense.
Jerod Santo
Okay. It's been a few people that have said this, so not like a major complaint or anything. Alright, I have all five definitions for myoclonus. That's your four, as well as the correct definition. They are, number one, a term that defines the family of different forms of life that undergo mitosis. Number two, an eye disorder that results in double vision. Number three, a pre... \[laughter\] It's been a while since I've done this. Okay. Number three, a precursor to the monocle, an ancient Mayan seeing aid used to magnify small objects. Number four, known as a sibling of restless leg syndrome... \[laughs\] Sorry.
E. David Aja
Restless leg syndrome is serious.
Jerod Santo
I know it is. And I'm offending somebody... Known as the sibling of restless leg syndrome, is when your muscles twitch and have sudden movements. Number five, the brief involuntary twitching of a muscle or group of muscles. There you have five definitions, read perfectly, each one...
Adam Stacoviak
Hah...!
E. David Aja
\[unintelligible 00:11:11.21\]
Spencer Lyon
First try! First try!
Jerod Santo
Yeah, I'm warming up still; still warming up... And we are going to see if we can identify which one's real. We'll start with Jamie.
Jamie Tanna
What was the second one again?
Jerod Santo
The second one was an eye disorder that results in double vision.
Jamie Tanna
Yeah, I'm going to go with that one.
Jerod Santo
Okay, Jamie takes double vision. We go now to David...
E. David Aja
Uh, the fifth one. The muscle one.
Jerod Santo
The muscle one. Okay, David takes the muscle one. We go to Spencer...
Spencer Lyon
I'm going to stick with David here. I'm thinking twitchy muscles, but not necessarily restricted to the legs.
Jerod Santo
Okay. It goes beyond legs. Spencer takes number five, that's the muscle one. And now we go to Adam. Are you going to pile on? Are you going to spread it out? Are you going to --
Adam Stacoviak
\[00:12:03.10\] I don't know. I guess, I don't know what to do. I don't know.
Jerod Santo
Well, do you need me to repeat any of them for you?
Adam Stacoviak
Well, that -- was it four or five that made you laugh? Which one made you laugh?
Jerod Santo
The sibling of restless leg syndrome. \[laughs\]
Adam Stacoviak
I'm kind of liking that one...
Jerod Santo
Not because it's unbelievable, just because I think it's --
Adam Stacoviak
I'll pile on. I'll pile on.
Jerod Santo
Okay.
Adam Stacoviak
I'll pile on.
Jerod Santo
So we have a pile on.
Jamie Tanna
That's early for a pile on.
Jerod Santo
Nobody thought it was the sibling of restless leg syndrome... Probably because I didn't read it very well. I apologize.
Adam, you had that one. That was yours. You also misspelled known, so I was trying to overcome that... I had to add the N in my head as I tried to read it, and so you really stumbled me right at the front... And then I thought, "Why does restless leg syndrome have a sibling?" \[laughter\]
Jamie Tanna
For the arms, or...?
Jerod Santo
Yeah. They have like restless arm syndrome, or what...? So you just got me with that one, and you got nobody else, probably because of that. However, Spencer also didn't trick anybody with his precursor to the monocle. Nobody picked that one. That was Spencer's. And Jamie didn't get anyone, with "a term that defines the family of different forms of life that undergo mitosis." So it's not looking very good for me, because those are three fake ones. The other fake one that was selected was an eye disorder that results in double vision. Jamie guessed that. That was David's, so one point to David for the eye disorder. I thought that was a good one; double vision, mono...
E. David Aja
Mio for like myopic...
Jerod Santo
Yeah, exactly.
Spencer Lyon
There you go...
Jerod Santo
Yeah, well played. However, once I read the actual definition, it seems like you guys knew what it was... "The brief involuntary twitching of a muscle or group of muscles, that is myoclonus." So David, Spencer and Adam all get two points each. So after round one, David's in the lead with three, Spencer and Adam tied with two, and Jamie and I not quite yet on the board... But there's lots of \#define left to play.
We move now to round two, where your word for round two is eigengrau. That's E-I-G-E-N-G-R-A-U. Eigengrau. Submit to me your definitions just as soon as you have them. Is restless leg syndrome a thing?
Adam Stacoviak
Yes... I guess while we're here in the break - I thought I was on the money with that one, because I learned about that, because for a bit there I thought I had it... And that's when I learned about myoclonus, or however it's pronounced... It's twitchy stuff, so I thought I had on the money, but maybe I was off a little... Because that's how I learned about it. Because for a bit there I had this this thing where I thought I had -- like, I just had twitches for a bit. It was when my thigh was a little off. And it was kind of caused from that because there's a -- when you have like a thyroid issue, you can also have like versions of arthritis, but it's not like full on arthritis; it's kind of like arthritic things... And that's kind of a sibling to restless leg syndrome, because I thought I had that... So they described several things, and that was in my memory from that...
Jerod Santo
Yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
And that's why I described it that way.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, it wasn't bad. I'd never heard of restless leg syndrome.
Adam Stacoviak
It's pretty bad.
Jerod Santo
But yeah, it's just basically like your leg twitches uncontrollably, huh?
Adam Stacoviak
You can't stop moving it, yeah. It's like, it just moves without you wanting it to. And it's usually during sleep, when you're trying to sleep. And so obviously, your sleep sucks. I can see how that reads funny, though... Especially since it says kno, versus known.
Jerod Santo
Yeah... That's what got me first. Then I started thinking "Sibling?" and it just got me giggling.
Adam Stacoviak
\[unintelligible 00:15:38.26\] Somebody asked... Who was it that asked? Was it David? Was there extra points for making Jerod laugh?
Spencer Lyon
That was my question, but so far you're in the lead. You're in the lead.
Adam Stacoviak
I got him to laugh, round one.
Spencer Lyon
So you've got a fun speaker lined up for the weekend in Denver, and then other activities... What else is happening in the live show?
Jerod Santo
Well, we're going to do our Kaizen episode with Gerhard, and we're going to be launching -- cutting over Pipely to go live, so that'll be interesting... That's basically it. It's a two-parter. So an interview and then a Kaizen.
Spencer Lyon
\[00:16:14.00\] That sounds great.
Jerod Santo
And whatever else we make up on stage. We have all the definitions for eigengrau. Number one, the dark gray color that people perceive in complete darkness, rather than seeing pure black. Number two, "When naming the beer Ziegenbock..." \[laughter\] Dude, you can't laugh while I'm -- I'm going to have to mute you. When naming the beer Ziegenbock - this name was also in the running - it describes a patent pending process for mixing beer, so they considered it for the name of the beer. Number three, the deeply primal feeling of fear, driven by a heightened increase of cortisol as if hearing the blood curdling cry of a beast while on the hunt.
Adam Stacoviak
These are amazing definitions.
Jamie Tanna
That's intense.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, these are good. The imaginary counterpart to the eigenspace of a matrix for complex valued matrices. And number five, from the German, for singularly gray. There you have five definitions of eigengrau. David, we start with you.
E. David Aja
Sorry, could you remind me of the first one?
Jerod Santo
Number one was a dark gray color that people perceive in complete darkness rather than seeing pure black.
E. David Aja
I mean, I think as appealing as Adam's beer definition is -- \[laughter\]
Jerod Santo
Hey, you can't out him like that...
E. David Aja
I don't think I did... I'm going to go for the first one.
Jerod Santo
Okay, the first one. Spencer, what are you thinking?
Spencer Lyon
I'm thinking number five, the German word for singularly gray.
Jerod Santo
Okay. So far we've got gray and gray. Adam?
Adam Stacoviak
I've gotta say, those two definitions make me think something's in a shade of gray here, so I'm thinking number five as well, the German version of gray.
Jerod Santo
Piling on gray, the German gray. Jamie, are you going to pile on?
Jamie Tanna
I'm going to go for the other gray...
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\] Okay, so if we're piling on gray... You're going to pile on the other gray.
Jamie Tanna
So I'll go for one.
Jerod Santo
Okay. So number one, we have David and Jamie on one, and we have Spencer and Adam on five. Both definitions about gray. One of them is correct, one of them is incorrect, I'll tell you that much. And the definition that is incorrect is literally true though, from the German for singularly gray... So that's just knowing the compound word, I suppose, and not the definition.
The definition actually is the dark gray color that people perceive in complete darkness, rather than seeing pure black. So that one was the actual definition. And David and Jamie both picked that. So David gets two, Jamie gets two... However, David was so close because he also knew from the German for singularly gray - that was his, so he also tricked two people... And so he scores four.
Spencer Lyon
That's a big round.
Jerod Santo
Congrats, David. You must feel good about yourself...
E. David Aja
I do. I lived in Berlin for like half a year, and so in that time -- I'm just like, "Yeah, that's enough to--"
Jerod Santo
That's enough to put that word together, Eigen... Does eigen mean singular?
E. David Aja
That actually, I just kind of went with the mathy eigenvector value, or whatever.
Jerod Santo
Right. According to Wikipedia, eigengrau is the German from intrinsic gray. And so maybe eigen means intrinsic. Also called eigenlicht. I can't speak German... Dark light, or brain gray. It's the uniform dark gray background color that many people report seeing in the absence of light. The term eigenlicht dates back to the 19th century, and has rarely been used in recent scientific publications. So there you go.
E. David Aja
\[00:20:09.03\] How would they all be reporting it as gray? Like, there's no -- I'm sorry, that's a philosophy question.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, they think they're seeing black, but they're not, basically... Because it's just like "Well, it's dark, so it's black." It's actually not black.
Adam Stacoviak
It's the absence of light.
Jerod Santo
It's eigengrau.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, that's interesting. We have a cave here in Texas that you can go to as a tourist, and go to the pitch black part of it...
Jerod Santo
Oh, yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
So they'll take you deep enough that you're not in danger... They'll turn the lights off, and it literally is pitch black, or what they call pitch black. And so maybe I should go back there and test this eigengrau.
Jerod Santo
Yes.
Spencer Lyon
Did you know this is actually eigengrau?
Adam Stacoviak
That's right.
Jerod Santo
There you go.
Adam Stacoviak
This is not pitch black. I'll correct them. The tour guide.
E. David Aja
You'll just yell "Das ist eigengrau!" \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
"Das ist eigengrau!" And be really angry.
Jerod Santo
Yes. Alright. Well, you should be really angry, because you're getting whooped by David at this point... As is all of us, because he has seven points after two rounds.
Adam Stacoviak
Wow.
Jerod Santo
The rest of you all are tied with two. There's plenty of \#define left to play. I'm still in the eigengrau, with zero. Let's move now to round three, where your word for round three is klystron. That's K-L-Y-S-T-R-O-N. Please submit to me your definitions for the word klystron. So I was debating in my head whether I should just give David the three points for being correct, because he was so close... And I decided to let him play, because he wasn't exactly right... But man, you actually scored way more points because I let you play, than you would have if I'd just given you the three points.
Spencer Lyon
You came out on top.
E. David Aja
I'm not mad about it.
Jerod Santo
That definitely paid off for you, so... Good job. I do like the sound of that...
Spencer Lyon
It's a clickety clackety.
Jerod Santo
It sure is.
E. David Aja
It's really emphatic.
Spencer Lyon
I pressed Enter, and you all knew I pressed Enter.
Jamie Tanna
During COVID, my partner and I -- so we were living at her house, and we were sharing an office, which was.. So it's a two-bed Victorian house, and so the office bedroom that we were sharing was not very big... And we both had mechanical keyboards. And it was the sort of time that -- like, at lunch we'd talk a little bit about work, and I wouldn't even need to tell my partner what was going on that morning... Because she would know if I'd been arguing with people on Slack, because it was very, very clear in that small room.
Jerod Santo
You were just emphatically typing.
Jamie Tanna
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
But how does she know? You could have just been like in the flow state, coding like a madman; just really going after it.
Jamie Tanna
I think she learned pretty quickly, yeah.
Jerod Santo
It's different? \[laughs\]
Jamie Tanna
Yeah. Yeah, many more pauses when you're coding, to like think of the next thing.
Jerod Santo
Right. When you're ranting, you're just raving.
Adam Stacoviak
Was she like "Who are you arguing with? Are you winning?"
Jerod Santo
Okay. There - five definitions for the word klystron. Number one, a device that converts the kinetic energy of an electron beam into radio frequency power. Number two, the process of moving swiftly through water. Number three, the nickname for a grouping of subatomic particles, including the gluon and muon. Number four, a lesser used term in scientific vernacular, to denote a grouping of potassium heavy entities. And number five, a subatomic particle with negative charge and spin. These are all believable to this layman over here... Let's see what y'all think, starting with Spencer.
Spencer Lyon
I'm going to have to hear those first two again, Jerod.
Jerod Santo
Sure thing. Number one, a device that converts the kinetic energy of an electron beam into radio frequency power. And number two, the process of moving swiftly through water.
Spencer Lyon
\[00:24:14.25\] Hm... I think I'm going to go -- there were two subatomic particles, so I'm drawn to one of those ones... And the question is which one? I think I'm going to go negative charge and spin. Number five.
Jerod Santo
Okay. Number five, a subatomic particle with negative charge and spin. Locky in right there. Adam, to you.
Adam Stacoviak
You know, five sounds pretty awesome, but...
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\] But...?
Adam Stacoviak
But --
Jerod Santo
Not quite awesome enough.
Adam Stacoviak
...I really feel like there's something to number two. But there's a lot of people talking about protons, and \[unintelligible 00:24:53.09\] and stuff like that, and the potassiums...
Jerod Santo
Right? Charges...
Adam Stacoviak
Can you read number four for me again? Just so I can have clear -- that one was similar to five. Close
Jerod Santo
It's a lesser used term in scientific vernacular to denote a grouping of potassium heavy entities.
Adam Stacoviak
Let's go with five.
Jerod Santo
Five. The one that Spencer went with.
Adam Stacoviak
That's right.
Jerod Santo
You're going to pile on with Spencer.
Adam Stacoviak
He's got the points, I'm following him.
Spencer Lyon
It's not been a winning strategy yet, but... Adam and I are sticking together. It's going to pay off.
Jerod Santo
I was gonna say, you're going to have the same score. Alright. Now to Jamie.
Jamie Tanna
I was hoping David would go first...
Jerod Santo
He went first last time.
Jamie Tanna
What was number three? That was the other subatomic particle one.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, the nickname for a grouping of subatomic particles, including the gluon and muon.
Jamie Tanna
I'm not sure about the water one, but as it came out, I was like "Hmm, I don't know..." But I also don't know any of these words, so...
Jerod Santo
I think it's clear that none of us know what this definition is... \[laughter\] So it's a guessing game at this point.
Jamie Tanna
Yeah. I think I'm going to, again, try and split the vote, and go for number three, the other subatomic particle.
Jerod Santo
Okay. So you're liking subatomic, but you're going to go for the other subatomic. Alright, David, you are last to guess this round.
E. David Aja
I almost -- it's like the subatomic particle thing seems so obvious that it feels like a trap.
Jerod Santo
Hm... Cue Admiral Ackbar.
E. David Aja
Whereas... I don't know if -- there's no klystron for water... It doesn't sound right. The potassium thing is like \[unintelligible 00:26:30.29\] No, that doesn't work either. I don't know. What was the first one?
Jerod Santo
That was the device that converts the kinetic energy of an electron beam into radio frequency power.
E. David Aja
The kinetic energy of an electron beam.
Jerod Santo
Correct.
E. David Aja
Yeah, I don't -- I'm going to go for the... \[laughter\] I mean, yeah...
Adam Stacoviak
This is that scenario when like you're sold something, and you just want the salesperson to sell it to you... Can you just tell him which one to pick, Jerod?
E. David Aja
Yeah. You know, all I have is money \[unintelligible 00:27:04.21\]
Adam Stacoviak
"Just tell me what I should buy."
E. David Aja
Yeah. I'm going to go for the water one, just because I got --
Jerod Santo
The water one?
E. David Aja
Yeah, I don't know... I don't feel strongly about it, but... Yeah, that's what we're doing.
Jerod Santo
But if you had to pick one, you're going to pick the water one. The process of moving swiftly through water. Adam did say there was something to that one... There's something special about that one. Wasn't there, Adam?
Adam Stacoviak
Pretty special... \[laughter\] Tell him what he won.
Jerod Santo
He won one point for Adam.
E. David Aja
There you go.
Jerod Santo
Because there was something special about that one. For a second there, Adam, I thought you were going to do the "People are talking about" thing...
E. David Aja
"Everybody said..." This boat, it moves through the water with the klystron, you don't even know.
Jerod Santo
Right? People are talking about that water one. It's like, no, you're the first person to go. No one's talking -- okay. So yeah, Adam gets a point there. The pile on was to the subatomic particle with negative charge and spin - two points, because Spencer and Adam both selected that one... It goes back to David. So he's still scoring.
E. David Aja
That's why I didn't believe it.
Adam Stacoviak
\[00:28:09.23\] It was cool, I liked it.
Jerod Santo
It was a good one. I liked the gluon and muon the most. Jamie liked that one as well... And that was Spencer's. So the subatomic particles was too good to be true. Neither of those was the right answer...
Spencer Lyon
Oh... Is Jerod on the board now?
Jerod Santo
...which means I score four points, because a klystron is a device that converts the kinetic energy of an electron beam into radio frequency power. Often called a klystron tube, if you're going to look up the actual thing... And - there you go. Surprised you guys didn't know that. I didn't know that either, but I knew it before you guys did, because I looked it up this morning.
Spencer Lyon
\[unintelligible 00:28:50.18\] 1937. It's been around.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, it's been out there. There's lots of YouTube videos. I watched them, because I wanted to figure out how to pronounce it. And I'm not sure if I pronounced it right, because I did see both klystron and klystron.
E. David Aja
Is it related at all to vacuum tubes, or is that just like a completely separate technology? No, it's not. I don't know. Yeah, never mind.
Jerod Santo
It's a tube, I don't know. I'm not a physicist.
Adam Stacoviak
I was attracted to that one, too. I almost picked that one. It was close.
Jerod Santo
Well, people were talking about that water one... \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
There's something to it.
Jerod Santo
There's something about it. There's something about that water one. Alright, so we've all scored now, we're all feeling good... Jamie didn't score that round, but you are on the board. So after three rounds, David's still in the lead with nine. I guess I move into second place with four... Wow. This is the closest I've ever been to winning. Adam and Spencer - tied, of course, because they select the same one every time, with three... And Jamie win two. So David's still out to a resounding lead, but I think we can catch him.
We're moving now to round four. This is a special round. We call it "Give it a goog." Give it a goog!
Adam Stacoviak
Ah, give it a goog...
**Break**: \[00:30:00.13\]
Jerod Santo
I went out to google.com in an incognito browser... I did not use a VPN, so yes, you can probably triangulate some stuff, because I was too lazy, even though I knew that might happen... And I googled "How does." Just those two words, "How does", and then I hit Space, to make sure it knows that does is over... And I stopped, and Google suggested some autocompletes. I have jotted down the number one autocomplete, and your job in this round is either to guess what Google autocompleted for me, or of course, come up with what you think it might autocomplete for most humans around the world. Please submit to me your autocompletes now.
E. David Aja
And this is -- you've googled this today?
Jerod Santo
Correct.
Jamie Tanna
And to confirm, you're in Omaha, Nebraska?
Jerod Santo
Correct. Well, you can stereotype me, and then you can guess some stuff. \[laughter\] Feel free. It's fine.
E. David Aja
I was gonna say, yup.
Jerod Santo
You have all of your false ideas about what we're like...
Spencer Lyon
How does corn grow...?
Jerod Santo
No - see, we already know that. We're not going to be asking Google that. You have to think of what we're ignorant of. Adam, are you thinking, or what are you doing over there?
Adam Stacoviak
I'm thinking...
Jerod Santo
Okay, because it looks like you're just staring at the camera, just like deeply breathing...
Adam Stacoviak
Well -- oh, sorry. Am I breathing deeply? Maybe I'm excited. Oh, man. I think I'm excited. Now I'm self-conscious about my breathing. Who wants a little TMI? Do you want some TMI? \[laughter\]
E. David Aja
That's not normally how that works... \[laughter\]
Spencer Lyon
I don't know how to answer that...
Jerod Santo
I know exactly how to answer that. No. The answer is no. \[laughter\] But I'm going to hear it anyways, I'm sure.
Adam Stacoviak
No, I will not tell. I'm keeping it.
Jerod Santo
Okay. Wow, it worked.
Adam Stacoviak
It worked.
Jamie Tanna
Can it be like a Plus Plus special?
Jerod Santo
Yeah. Just bleep it for the regular people, and we'll unbleep it for Plus Plusers. I mean, this is a Plus Plus special right here. Okay... \[Changelog Plus Plus. It's better!\] Well, we gave it a goog and we tried to guess how people were googling "How does" stuff. That's not even a good sentence. I'm going to roll with it... And here's what we came up with. Five potential autocompletes for "how does". Number one, how does a bill become a law? Number two, how does farming work? Number three, how does astronomer make money? Number four, how does Ozempic work? And number five, how does the world end? How does the world end?
E. David Aja
Five... Four...
Jamie Tanna
We just took a dark turn there.
Jerod Santo
Like a dramatic countdown...? Alright, Adam, you are first this round, my friend.
Adam Stacoviak
Gosh, man, there's like two in there that were really good.
Jerod Santo
Oh, which ones were they?
Adam Stacoviak
I really have to ask you to read four of them again. Or three of them.
Jerod Santo
These are the shortest ones ever. How do you not remember them? Okay, I'll read them -- do you want them all?
Adam Stacoviak
The middle three were the ones that stood out most to me. So like two, three and four. Can you read those, please?
Jerod Santo
Two, three and four. Okay. Number two is how does farming work?
Adam Stacoviak
Okay, that was not the one.
Jerod Santo
\[00:35:59.25\] Number three, how does astronomer make money?
Adam Stacoviak
That was awesome.
Jerod Santo
Okay. Number four, how does Ozempic work?
Adam Stacoviak
Okay, listen, I think it's number four, but I'm going to give it to number three, because damn, that's a good answer. \[laugher\] That is spot on. Whoever's that is if it's not real, they're awesome.
Jerod Santo
Okay.
Adam Stacoviak
Forever friend.
Jerod Santo
Okay, Adam goes with number --
Spencer Lyon
Date of recording might be relevant for that particular answer.
Jerod Santo
Right?
Adam Stacoviak
Astronomer, yeah.
Jerod Santo
Inquiring minds want to know, "how does astronomer make money?" Okay. Next up, it's going to be Jamie.
Jamie Tanna
So I was going to say, we've heard the middle three...
Jerod Santo
Yeah. \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
How about number one and five...?
Jamie Tanna
Yeah, one of them was how does a bill become --
Jerod Santo
How does a bill become a law?
Adam Stacoviak
That was the first one.
Jamie Tanna
And then what was the other one?
Jerod Santo
And the last one was how does the world end? So there's your five. So you've got farming -- well, in order... You've got a bill, you've got farming, then you've got astronomer, then you have Ozempic, then you have the world.
Jamie Tanna
I think Ozempic. I mean, astronomer is like written perfectly how someone would search for it... But yeah, I think Ozempic.
Jerod Santo
Alright, Jamie picks Ozempic. David, do you?
E. David Aja
I'm going to go with Ozempic. I think that -- yeah, that seems right.
Jerod Santo
What are you guys trying to say? \[laughter\]
E. David Aja
It's very popular. People want to know how it works.
Jerod Santo
That's right.
Adam Stacoviak
That's true.
Jerod Santo
That's fair. Okay. Spencer?
Spencer Lyon
I'm torn... I feel like Adam and I have hitched our wagons together, and I've got to give props to astronomer. I mean, the reason I'm a Plus Plus subscriber - I like to support things that bring me happiness, and I like it, and that answer brought me a bit of happiness... So I'm going to go for astronomer.
Adam Stacoviak
There you go.
Jerod Santo
Well played. Okay. So Spencer and Adam, hitched again, and...
Adam Stacoviak
Ride or die, brother.
Spencer Lyon
Right to the bottom.
Jerod Santo
Some people want to know how astronomer makes money. I want to know how David makes money, because he is scoring left and right. That was his. Good job, David! And there's a funny backstory on that one, because without the capitalized A, I thought he was trying to say, "How do astronomers make money?" Also I'm curious, how do they? And I'm like "Do you want me to pluralize for that?" And he's like "No, man." I was like "Oh, I get it." I didn't get it at first.
Adam Stacoviak
No, man.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, I was like "Astronomers. Yeah, how do they make money? I don't know." So two points for him. And then "How does farming work?" Well, Jamie already made a joke about that, so that was his... How does a bill become a law? Nobody cares, Spencer. I mean, come on. Nobody wants to know.
Spencer Lyon
I mean, you had to have seen the video when you were in grade school, no?
Jerod Santo
Oh, for sure.
Spencer Lyon
"How does a bill become a law?"
Jerod Santo
For sure.
E. David Aja
Not my favorite schoolhouse rock, though, honestly.
Jerod Santo
That is a good one.
E. David Aja
Conjunction Junction.
Jerod Santo
Conjunction Junction.
E. David Aja
There it is.
Jerod Santo
What's your function? Hooking up words and --
E. David Aja
Phrases and clauses.
Jerod Santo
Phrases and clauses.
Spencer Lyon
Yes...!
Jerod Santo
Alright. Meanwhile, Adam, the world ending one - didn't you do that similar last time around, something about the end of the world?
Adam Stacoviak
I don't know what else to say, okay? I have a limited vocabulary...
Jerod Santo
He's got one thing on his mind... \[laughter\]
E. David Aja
Does Adam have a doomsday device somewhere? Should we be worried?
Adam Stacoviak
You know, I just don't have a good brain like you, David, because that was an awesome answer... And I guess I'm just bland. I could be more sparkling, I'm just a little bland, unfortunately.
Jerod Santo
Well, the correct autocomplete, or at least for my incognito tab on this side of the Earth, is "How does Ozempic work?" And Jamie and David both picked that, so two points each. That's two for Jamie in the round, four for David in the round. Other autocompletes that didn't quite make it as high, but were still on the list... Number two was "How does a HELOC work?" A HELOC. That is confusing. A home equity line of credit. A very complicated, but sometimes useful investing vehicle. "How does Plan B work?" "How does Zelle work?" You know, that thing where you can send money between banks... I don't know. I don't know how it works. And how does hail form? That's straight out of Nebraska right there, because we get hailed on so much.
Adam Stacoviak
\[00:40:15.29\] And Texas, bro. Oh my gosh, yeah.
Spencer Lyon
I got a particularly Orlando response in my how does... So number one, also Ozempic.
Jerod Santo
Okay.
Spencer Lyon
Number two, "How does Lightning Lane work?" The Disney World FastPass system. No one knows.
Jerod Santo
Oh... No one knows. \[laughs\]
Spencer Lyon
They keep changing it.
Jerod Santo
It's like magic. It's dark magic.
Spencer Lyon
It's like magic you pay for, and then you don't know what happens.
Jerod Santo
Yeah... It's magic for them. Hilarious. Alright. Well, after just four rounds, we have like a world record pace here. David with 13 points. He's in striking distance of a win after four rounds. Wonder why I created 10 rounds... And tied for second is me and Jamie, with four. That's how far back we are. And tied in last is these two hitched together with three, Spencer and Adam.
Jamie Tanna
Can we go for a rule change and just like pool our points together? \[laughter\]
Jerod Santo
Just team up on him? I make the rules... So I can make up whatever I wanted to, technically. I mean, it's our podcast, but... He might not come back, and maybe that's what we want. I don't know.
E. David Aja
\[unintelligible 00:41:20.13\]
Jerod Santo
We move now to round five... This is a new style round, even newer than the Google style round. This is called "Weird Flicks, But Okay..." I've scoured the internet for one of the oldest, most obscure, weird movies, and I've grabbed the title, the year it was released, and the synopsis. A brief one-sentence synopsis of what the movie is about. Your job is to write your own brief one-sentence synopsis and try to trick your friends into thinking yours is real. And of course, I guess if you know the actual movie and you tell me what it's about, you'll still get your three points.
I think if I were you guys, I'd start teaming up against David... Just saying. Just saying.
E. David Aja
So just like like the oldest possible movie is what we're going for?
Jerod Santo
They're pretty old. So this first one -- I have two of these rounds. The first one - this is a 1945. So it's an old movie. And the title of the movie is The Reckless Moment. The Reckless Moment. And your job is to come up with, or to know by having seen it, the synopsis of what that movie is about. So there you go. The Reckless Moment, from 1945.
Jamie Tanna
And to confirm, is this the official one-line synopsis?
Jerod Santo
This would be the one liner that is on the IMDb page. So it's not like a tagline. It's a synopsis. But IMDb people wrote it, not the movie creators, I don't think.
Spencer Lyon
What does Adam have in his -- what's he watching behind this...
Jerod Santo
Silicon Valley.
Jamie Tanna
Silicon Valley...!
Spencer Lyon
Is it always on? Always?
Jerod Santo
Well, whenever we're recording. I think he might turn it off in between, but... It's just loops, different scenes. Yeah, he's just trolling.
Jamie Tanna
I was trying to work it out from earlier, I thought it was Community... \[unintelligible 00:43:11.16\]
Jerod Santo
I thought it would be cool if he would do some different things, different episodes. Like, it could be Star Wars, it could be Silicon Valley, it could be Predator, you know... And he's just like "Nah. Only Silicon Valley, all the time."
Adam Stacoviak
You want me to change the show for you? "Yeah, I want to watch something different."
Jerod Santo
No, we were very excited when you left, because we could actually catch up on an episode we missed.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah...
E. David Aja
That doesn't generate like a copyright problem from HBO? They're not like \[unintelligible 00:43:40.25\]
Jerod Santo
No, it's obscure enough. Yeah, it's in the background enough we don't ever get a takedown request, thankfully.
Jamie Tanna
Do I remember we talked about there maybe being like a Changelog watch-along of Silicon Valley? Do like an episode a week?
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, that'd be cool. I never executed on that, because I didn't want to re-watch it, I guess... Or be forced to.
Jerod Santo
We also almost did a... So the last time we played this game -- what was that? He Who Gets Slapped? Was that the name of the movie, Adam?
Adam Stacoviak
Yes, yes.
Jerod Santo
\[00:44:09.13\] We actually were going to watch that in Denver, as like a group activity, because it'd be hilarious... But the joke is funnier than the reality, so we're not going to do it. Because it's public domain. John Henry found out it's in the public domain, because it's like 1928. And so like "Man, we could like put it on a projector and watch it outside", or something. But... Too lazy.
Spencer Lyon
I see David's guitar's in the back. He may even need to start thinking of a victory jingle you can play for us. We're closing in.
Jerod Santo
Can you improv? Musically?
E. David Aja
Not well, no.
Jerod Santo
Not well. But you're definitely closing in on a win here.
E. David Aja
The hubris of asking... Has anyone ever won in five? \[laughter\]
Jerod Santo
You know, there's a reason it feels hubris. Not that I can imagine, or remember... I can imagine it, I can't remember it.
This is our sixth time playing, isn't it? I think this is round six, and I think there may have been a win in five, but that was back when we played less points. I think we were going to 12 for a while, and we extended it to 15. So you would have already won in four, 12. Now, I think you're definitely on pace for the fastest W of all time. Or the greatest collapse in history...
E. David Aja
Or the greatest stroke. \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, that's true.
Jerod Santo
The greatest collapse in the history of \#define. Alright, we now have everybody's entry for a plot synopsis of 1945's The Reckless Moment. Are you guys ready to hear what everybody had to say? Alright. Number one, "Well-to-do Howard Douglas makes a careless decision to leave his bowler hat at home." Number two, "The untold, untrue story of what Emperor Hirohito really told President Truman upon the Japanese surrender in World War II." Number three, "The harrowing story of how the invasion at Normandy almost had to be called off." Number four, "After discovering the dead body of her teenage daughter's lover, a housewife takes desperate measures to protect her family from scandal." Number five, "With the keys to his new Plymouth, Ben takes a drive to the lookout with his friends, where he met Betty." Hold on, I've read it wrong... "Where he met Betty, this knockout that sits next to his wife." \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
How is this funny, Jerod?
E. David Aja
Try reading it in a transatlantic accent. That might flow a little bit more naturally...
Jerod Santo
Yeah, exactly. If I could. "Ben takes a drive to the lookout with his friends, where he met Betty, this knockout that sits next to him in chem class. They hit it off well, but when this mysterious woman shows up, everything changes."
Jamie Tanna
Was that all one sentence?
Jerod Santo
No, there's one break in there. After chem class there was a period. Okay. Five potential synopses for The Reckless Moment, starting with Jamie. Which one do you think is real?
Jamie Tanna
So I'm wondering... Emperor Hirohito and Normandy sound like they may be of the time period, but also could be quite near to already get a film out about Normandy. So I'm not sure. The very long one sentence makes me wonder if it's either not real, or is maybe --
Jerod Santo
Or real.
Jamie Tanna
The other two - I'm not sure - sound... Yeah, I think a little bit too far-fetched.
Jerod Santo
Which ones are far-fetched?
Jamie Tanna
The one about the bowler hat, and the housewife scandal. The bowler hat one just sounds a little bit out there. And the housewife scandal sounds like it could be more contemporary.
Jerod Santo
Right.
Jamie Tanna
I can't imagine that sort of thing happening...
Jerod Santo
In the '40s.
Spencer Lyon
So you've eliminated all five.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, I think that's all five. \[laughter\] One of which you wrote.
Jamie Tanna
\[00:48:11.02\] But which one...? Yeah, I don't know.
Adam Stacoviak
That's his strategy.
Jerod Santo
I'm not going to say. He's just trying to make sure he doesn't pick David's.
Jamie Tanna
I'm just casting doubt widely.
Jerod Santo
Yeah. So having said all that, what are you going to do? I think I'm going to go for Normandy.
Normandy.
Jamie Tanna
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
Alright. That's number three, by the way. Jamie goes for Normandy. David.
E. David Aja
You said the movie came out in '45... I think -- sorry, what was... So it was the bowler hat...
Jerod Santo
Yes. Number two was President Truman...
E. David Aja
Sorry, President Truman did what?
Jerod Santo
"The untold, untrue story of what Emperor Hirohito really told President Truman upon the Japanese surrender in World War II."
Adam Stacoviak
It's untrue and untold.
Jerod Santo
It's untold and untrue.
Adam Stacoviak
Now it's told, though.
E. David Aja
In '45...?
Jerod Santo
Yes.
E. David Aja
Alright. Okay.
Jerod Santo
And then number three is the Normandy, which Jamie just picked.
E. David Aja
This is my way of backing into asking you to repeat all of them, so thank you.
Jerod Santo
And number four - do you want the full sentences or just the summaries? My summary of the summary?
E. David Aja
The full sentence, if you don't mind.
Jerod Santo
Okay.
E. David Aja
Yeah, we're doing it. Sorry.
Jerod Santo
All of them?
E. David Aja
No, just the last two. Sorry, the last two.
Jerod Santo
The last two. Okay, number four was "After discovering the dead body of her teenage daughter's lover, a housewife takes desperate measures to protect her family from scandal." And number five is "With the keys to his new Plymouth, Ben takes a drive to the lookout with his friends where he met Betty, this knockout that sits next to him in chem class.
They hit it off well, but when this mysterious woman shows up, everything changes."
E. David Aja
Okay, I think I'm going bowler hat.
Jerod Santo
He's going bowler hat. Okay. Spencer.
Spencer Lyon
Adam, it's up to you, but I'm switching... I'm going with David. Bowler hat. Bowler hat it is.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\] He's going with the bowler hat.
Spencer Lyon
No, I'm going with David. Let me clarify, I'm going with David. \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
Are you apologizing? What's happening here? Are we breaking up?
Jerod Santo
Yeah, he switched off Adam and onto David, is what he's saying here.
Spencer Lyon
Well, no, it's Adam's choice. He can choose to follow me on David's bandwagon or not. But that's up to Adam.
Jerod Santo
I gotcha. So it's up to you if you want to pile on...
Adam Stacoviak
Well, David wouldn't choose his own, so... But he only needs two points to win.
Jerod Santo
That's right.
Adam Stacoviak
And if he gets the right one, he gets one, right?
Jerod Santo
If he gets it correct, he gets two. If he tricks you, he gets one more.
Adam Stacoviak
David could be choosing his own, you know that, right?
Jerod Santo
He could be presupposing a pile on.
Spencer Lyon
Both of us are suckers to follow him for those two points, but maybe we are. We're in the back. I don't know.
Adam Stacoviak
He's also going first though, so he's kind of creating the current to follow... He's creating the pile on, and you fought for his trick.
Jerod Santo
Jamie did go first, technically, but...
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, sorry. Jamie went first.
Jerod Santo
But David would want you to know that.
Adam Stacoviak
David went first-ish...
E. David Aja
\[unintelligible 00:50:52.24\]
Spencer Lyon
If I fall into this trap that David laid, he's playing checkers and we're playing chess here. So he can win.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, man...
E. David Aja
The other way around.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, I think he'd be playing chess.
Adam Stacoviak
That's why we're going to lose right there.
E. David Aja
Exactly.
Jerod Santo
Exactly. \[laughter\] That's how confused he has Spencer.
Adam Stacoviak
I don't know, Jerod, I feel like that last one needs one more read. What do you think?
Jerod Santo
Okay.
Jamie Tanna
You're just trying to make sure we use the full two hours.
Jerod Santo
That's right. "With the keys to his new Plymouth, Ben takes a drive to the lookout with his friends, where he meets Betty, this absolute knockout that sits next to him in chem class."
E. David Aja
Was absolute there before?
Jerod Santo
No, I just figured it needed to be there. "They hit it off well, but when this mysterious woman shows up, everything changes."
Adam Stacoviak
I'm going with that one.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\] Alright. So Adam picks his own. We'll just stop right there.
Adam Stacoviak
I'm safe. I'm giving no points away.
Jerod Santo
That's right. David and Spencer - or I should say Spencer piled on with David onto the bowler hat. That was Jamie's bowler hat.
E. David Aja
\[00:52:02.28\] Damn it... I was like "The guy from England is not going to do a bowler hat \[unintelligible 00:52:04.23\]
Jerod Santo
I thought it was kind of on the nose, but...
E. David Aja
Alright, yeah. He got me.
Jerod Santo
He sure did. And then he acted like it couldn't possibly be right, which made you want to pick it as well.
E. David Aja
Yup, yup.
Adam Stacoviak
He's a good actor.
Jerod Santo
He is. And then Jamie went with the harrowing story of Normandy, and that was David's, giving David one point, but not a victory. He approaches the precipice. Meanwhile, Jerod scores four points... Thank you very much, everybody... Because the correct synopsis of The Reckless Moment is "After discovering the dead body of her teenage daughter's lover, a housewife takes desperate measures to protect her family from scandal."
E. David Aja
That sounded really spicy for '45.
Spencer Lyon
1945... That's what I was thinking.
Jerod Santo
Yeah. Well --
Adam Stacoviak
That's why I didn't go with it.
Jamie Tanna
1949.
Jerod Santo
Oh, did I do it wrong? 1949. I'm sorry. That might have ruined some World War II ones. Did I mess with World War II? I must have wrote that down wrong.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, I wrote down 1945 as well. What did I write down? Let me see what I wrote down here... Uh -- yeah, '45.
Jerod Santo
Ah. My bad, y'all. I award everybody except for David one point for my mistake. \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
Which is exactly why I made up a story about a car named Plymouth... Because the Plymouth came out in '41-'42.
Jerod Santo
So with bonuses applied, he still has more than twice as much as anybody who's actually playing. David has 14 points. I have eight, still not really playing... Jamie has seven. Adam and Spencer, even though Spencer broke off that hitch, they're still tied, with four points each.
Adam Stacoviak
Ah... It's fun here at the bottom. \[laughter\]
E. David Aja
Ride or die.
Jerod Santo
Yeah. Alright. We move to round six. We get to play around six. I wasn't sure if there would be one. And this is back to a pretty normal round. It's another word. However, this word's an acronym, so it's slightly different, because it's not just any old word. It's an acronym. So you have to come up with what the acronym stands for, and then that thing described or defined. So the acronym is WIMP. W-I-M-P. That's the acronym. So you'll come up with what it stands for, and then a definition of it.
Alright, so I looked it up... I remember Carol Lee, PhD, being quite dominant at this game as well. And it turns out she won after six rounds.
Adam Stacoviak
You missed it.
Spencer Lyon
Pressure's on.
Jerod Santo
Well, this is round six right here.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, gosh.
Jerod Santo
So he could tie. He had a chance -- and I had to go back and listen to the transcript, or read the transcript, and see if that went to 12 points or 15. Oh yeah, it's 15 points, so it's apples to apples. I have Jamie's and David's definitions, which leaves us with one person. One heavy breather. Are you trying to intimidate us?
Adam Stacoviak
Just giving good audio for the edit.
Jerod Santo
Or are you trying to give us a mid-90s R&B.
Adam Stacoviak
Loop that, Jason. Loop that.
E. David Aja
Either pull out a lightsaber, or...
Adam Stacoviak
\[laughs\]
Jerod Santo
Of course. Or seduce us. What are you thinking, like Tony Braxton, or...?
E. David Aja
The specific thing that was playing when I said that was Wait a Minute by Ray J, which is very -- in the chorus there's a lot of... But also, some of some the stuff by 112, I think, features that.
Jerod Santo
Oh, yeah. Room 112, where the players dwell. I remember them. Or at least I remember --
Adam Stacoviak
I'm zero informed by that.
Jerod Santo
...Biggie Smalls rapping about that. I'm not sure if I remember them specifically. Okay, everybody's in. Five -- what do you call them? What do you call the fulfillment of an acronym?
E. David Aja
Expansion?
Jerod Santo
\[00:56:04.24\] Five acronym expansions, thank you... With definitions for the acronym WIMP. WIMP. Number one. WIMP. Worker Initialized Multiprocessing, a distributed computing execution strategy. Number two, Weekly Interacting Massive Particle - a hypothetical particle proposed as a candidate for dark matter. Number three. Wrought Iron Manifold Plateau - the culmination of the process for creating low-carbon iron alloys in which the maximum efficacy of the process is achieved. Number four. Windows Internet Management Platform - the Windows Internet Management Platform is a suite of tools used to manage the network's internet access at the enterprise level. And number five, Windows Image Management Package - the closed source proprietary answer to the popular open source image manipulation library GIMP. So it's like GIMP, but for Windows, if I had to put it in my own words.
Adam Stacoviak
Don't you smile like that, David... No, sir. No, sir. Okay, audio listeners, you didn't see that smile, okay? I saw that smile... That smile was "That's mine."
E. David Aja
"Stay away..."
Jamie Tanna
I'm sure David was thinking, "But the GNU Image Management Program is cross-platform."
Jerod Santo
Oh, I'm sure he was thinking that.
E. David Aja
I hate that you are correct that that is what I was thinking. \[laughter\] I have definitely \[unintelligible 00:57:37.04\]
Jerod Santo
Didn't we interview the guy who built GIMP one time, Adam?
Adam Stacoviak
We sure did. He also made CockroachDB.
Jerod Santo
Oh, that's right. What a talented fella.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. He talked a lot about GIMP too, because I didn't have a clue until I re-interviewed him.
Jerod Santo
You didn't have a clue of what GIMP was?
Adam Stacoviak
No, I think I did up until like the day before. Like, in my research I didn't know until then. It was a surprise to me. So like the plan for the call... And then the call was different because of it.
Jerod Santo
Alright, here we go... This is not GIMP, this is WIMP, okay? Five definitions of WIMP. I've read them all, and I won't read them again, unless you ask me to. And David gets to go first. So David, you're right here, man. The game is in your hands. All you have to do is identify the actual WIMP.
E. David Aja
So there's GIMP for Windows... Yeah, I'm going to ask you to repeat. You don't have to go to the definitions, just the things spelled out.
Jerod Santo
The summaries. I will summarize. So number one is the worker initialized multiprocessing. That's a distributed computing execution strategy. Number two is the weekly interactive massive particle, a hypothetical particle for dark matter. Number three was wrought iron manifold plateau. And number four was the Windows internet management platform, whereas number five was the Windows image management package. That's your WIMP. Five WIMPs.
E. David Aja
Wrought iron manifold plateau... I wish I knew more about ironworking. I think I'm going to go for two, so weekly interacting massive particle.
Jerod Santo
Okay. David goes for number two. And now we move to Spencer.
Spencer Lyon
That also is going to be my choice. I know what it looks, guys...
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Spencer Lyon
I had it circled on my notepad. I was going to go for number two.
Jerod Santo
That just says David's name. You just circled David's name. \[laughter\] Alright...
Spencer Lyon
But it does make me feel better about my choice, knowing that David had already picked it. So thank you, David.
Jerod Santo
Fair. There you go. Alright, Jamie, did you write anything down?
Jamie Tanna
I mean, much as number five is like really selling it to me, I think I'm going to go for the multiprocessing. The worker initiated multiprocessing.
Jerod Santo
Okay. Number one.
Jamie Tanna
Just to go with something different.
Jerod Santo
Okay, there you go. And Adam...
Adam Stacoviak
On my virtual notebook here I have also circled number two as a very plausible answer...
Jamie Tanna
\[01:00:25.06\] Independently...
Adam Stacoviak
Is that what you chose, Spencer?
Jerod Santo
That's what David chose.
Spencer Lyon
It's what I chose. Or, more importantly, it's what David chose, yes.
E. David Aja
Getting the band back together...
Jerod Santo
Yeah, you might as well pile on. I mean, if you guys are all wrong, I do win, though. Oh, no, I don't. I only have 12.
Adam Stacoviak
I'm feeling like number four. I'm feeling number four is good. What's that one, Jerod?
Jerod Santo
Windows Internet Management Platform.
Adam Stacoviak
That's right. That's it.
Jamie Tanna
It's missing \[unintelligible 01:00:53.16\]
Jerod Santo
You're not going to guess that one, are you?
Adam Stacoviak
Of course. It's a safe play. \[laughter\]
Jerod Santo
I don't know, I don't understand you sometimes... Alright, Adam picked his own again. So he gets zero points for picking his own.
Adam Stacoviak
I'm too scared of David. He's going to win. I don't want to, though. I don't want to pick that one. It's a cop out. I should have more fun. We'll go with number two.
Jerod Santo
Which one are you doing?
Adam Stacoviak
We'll go with number two. Yeah, let's have more fun. Whoever earned that answer gets it, whatever it is.
Jerod Santo
Fair. It's a pile on. That's the best answer. Dark matter. Come on, dark matter...
Alright. Well, David, Spencer, and Adam all piled on. They followed David to the Weekly Interacting Massive Particles.
Adam Stacoviak
He's so excited. Look at David.
Spencer Lyon
He's pumped.
Jerod Santo
He knows... And that is the correct definition for WIMP. It's a Weekly Interacting Massive Particle. So David scores two, Spencer gets two, Adam gets two... Jamie picked Worker Initialized Multiprocessing. That's David's. Ugh, this guy... He just can't do wrong. He can't do wrong. \[laughter\] So above and beyond, he gets three points. Didn't even need that many...
Adam Stacoviak
Gosh.
Jerod Santo
And he wins, with 17 points.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, my gosh.
Jerod Santo
Congrats, David.
E. David Aja
Thank you.
Adam Stacoviak
So good.
Jerod Santo
Tied for the fastest win in \#define history. Perhaps the largest margin of victory, when second place was me, with eight. I'm not even playing, guys... Actual second place was Jamie, with seven, a full 10 points behind David. And then Spencer and Adam with six.
Adam Stacoviak
And one of those points was \[unintelligible 01:02:44.12\]
Jerod Santo
That's right. So David, as is our new tradition that I'm just making up right now, you must improvise us a song. No, I'm just kidding...
E. David Aja
Oh, hell no. \[laughter\]
Jerod Santo
I just mistook you for Mat Ryer for a moment there... No, we will not have you to do that. However, you can say anything you like, you could promote anything you like... You have a moment to just say whatever you want, man. Go for it.
E. David Aja
Sure. I guess I'll plug some stuff from the open source stuff from the company I work for. So the company I work for is Posit.co. We make software for data scientists and scientific computing. A couple of things that might be interesting to check out - there's a project called Quarto, which is a sort of literate programming environment that lets you render R and Python code into websites, all kinds of documents... And we are also building an editor for data scientists called Positron. So check that out at Positron.Posit.co.
Jerod Santo
Very cool. We will link up all those things. Posit.co, Quarto.org, and Positron.Posit.co?
E. David Aja
Posiron.posit.co, yeah.
Jerod Santo
There you go. We'll link those up in the show notes so you don't have to read them out loud and type them into your browser if you're driving, or something like that. That's it, that's \#define. This has been a fun one. I wouldn't say it's been a competitive one, but it's had a lot of laughs... And of course, these are our Changelog++ people, so... I think we have 11 minutes. Is that fair, Jamie? You've got 11 minutes to the top of the hour? Alright, so if you are one of us, if you are a Plus Plus member, stick around for a bonus round, right after we say goodbye. Adam, any final words before we hit our bonus round just for the Plus Plus people?
Adam Stacoviak
You know, if you're a Plus Plus subscriber, it's better.
Jerod Santo
It's been better for years.
Adam Stacoviak
That's it.
Jerod Santo
Alright, bye, friends.
Adam Stacoviak
Bye, friends.
E. David Aja
Bye, friends!
