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The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
1hr 16min Apr 13, 2024
Our beat freak in residence returns, this time to discuss the shiny new Dance Party album! We deconstruct its nostalgic mix, break down some of our favorite tracks & even learn that BMC is writing a mysterious book…
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Featuring:
- Breakmaster Cylinder – Website, X
- Jerod Santo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
Jerod Santo
So what I was about to say, and I'll say now, is that some of our Ship It listeners are on to us. You know what I'm talking about?
Breakmaster Cylinder
The sample in the theme? Oh no, you mean what you've done with the theme.
Jerod Santo
Both.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh...
Jerod Santo
And the outro theme.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Do tell.
Jerod Santo
Do you know that one? I mean, you wrote it. You made it. We've got two samples. Oh, you don't know we're using that for an outro now. That's probably why you're so confused.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Is it one of the punny ones?
Jerod Santo
It's one of the punny ones.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. Okay.
Jerod Santo
So we're using the new theme sample as the new theme, and then we've replaced the old outro music with the other one.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Mm-hm.
Jerod Santo
And our Ship It listeners in this channel, they're pretty smart people.
Breakmaster Cylinder
They are smart people.
Jerod Santo
Like, "Wait a second... I know what you guys are trying to do to me."
Breakmaster Cylinder
Do to us, yeah...
Jerod Santo
So that's kind of cool.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Sorry about that...
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\] It's nice to have a secret, like in plain sight, but it's also nice when that secret kind of slips out for insiders, you know?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Indeed. I like an Easter egg.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, it's cool.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
Well, here we are... We are hanging out with the mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder, our beat freak in residence, our beat master... What else do we call you? BMC...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yes.
Adam Stacoviak
That's pretty much it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Surely...
Adam Stacoviak
"Don't call me Shirley..." Naked Gun.
Jerod Santo
That's '80s. It's going back even further than our Ship It samples... Which we will not name. We'll let other people figure them out.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, I was wondering. Okay...
Jerod Santo
We're here to talk about Dance Party. This is our newest album, out for a few months now...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Okay...
Jerod Santo
By Changelog Beats and Breakmaster Cylinder. A collab, as we do. We've been collabing for years... And this one's cool. Basically, we're like "Hey, BMC, take all of the songs that you've made for us, that are danceable, or they're just like raveable, or you can hear them potentially in a club..." You can imagine them being played loudly at night...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yes.
Jerod Santo
...and put them onto an album.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It can be loud at night.
Jerod Santo
And you did it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
And I did it.
Adam Stacoviak
Yes.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Is that it?
Jerod Santo
That's it. That's the show. Thank you for doing that.
Breakmaster Cylinder
You're welcome.
Jerod Santo
Well, I don't know if we want to go track by track, because there's 21 tracks; we might be here a while. I love to talk about the mix overall, because this mix is different than our other albums that you've done, intentionally so... People may be wondering if it was an accident or intentional, and this was very much intentional...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
So I want to talk about that. Adam, what's on your agenda to tease out of BMC?
Adam Stacoviak
I almost said, oontz-oontz-oontz, but he beat me to it, so...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Sorry...
Jerod Santo
So we already got that one checked off.
Breakmaster Cylinder
How do you spell oontz, by the way?
Adam Stacoviak
I don't know. Like ounce maybe?
Breakmaster Cylinder
I don't know if you do the double o, or the --
Jerod Santo
I would do like oontz.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, maybe that's right.
Jerod Santo
How about you?
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, I agree with the mix of this one was different. You put extra sprinkles of sugar on top of this one I think too, in terms of the detail in the mix, in comparison to others. The fading, and the mixing, and all that stuff.
Jerod Santo
Tell us about it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Tell us about it. It was in the '90s when I listened a lot of trance CDs, or things like that. You can hear the DJ trying to switch between tracks, and sometimes it goes really well, and sometimes it's a little clunky; you can hear them do it. And I found that endearing. So I made it deliberately sound like I was trying to get from one to the other, and do it as best as I can, but it wouldn't be totally perfect... And the beats aren't like off from each other or anything, but like trying to get one song that's in one key into another one that's in a different key... And be creative... I don't know, it just sounds good. It feels good. You press Play, and then the whole thing doesn't stop until the end.
Jerod Santo
Right. Yeah, I like that. What happens is -- tell us how it works. So during one track, the next track overlays it for the last n seconds, and it fades from one to the other...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
And then if you just start from track three, for instance, it's just normal. But if you start at the end of track two, there's -- it's not its own song, right? It's got some part of the other song into it to allow for that smooth fade.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. There's some track three at the end of track two.
Jerod Santo
Right.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I was just listening to it. I guess some of them have little pieces of the previous, but not too obviously, hopefully.
Jerod Santo
Very little. Yeah.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
There's a couple that are very deliberate, where it comes in with it. And I liked that, honestly. I dug how that worked out. I dug the detail put in there.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yes, I like details. Also, it was like a nostalgia thing for me. I don't know if that's gonna mean a lot to too many other people, but...
Jerod Santo
\[00:08:09.00\] Right.
Adam Stacoviak
I'm jumping the gun a little bit, but I'm really concerned about Paul.
Jerod Santo
You're just jumping to the end of the album, dude.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I wouldn't be concerned about Paul, I'd be concerned for Moby... And also, I did not come up with his name. This was literally the request for the song; you were like "Make it sound like this." I feel like I should clarify...
Jerod Santo
What song are you talking about? I don't even know what you guys are talking about.
Breakmaster Cylinder
No idea, huh...?
Adam Stacoviak
We can wait then. Let's let it be a teaser.
Jerod Santo
Okay.
Adam Stacoviak
A cliffhanger for those who are thinking, "Gosh, just share the best", and we're not going to do it till the end.
Jerod Santo
Well, I thought we would start with the start, because I'm not Tarantino... I'm more traditional. So I thought, you know... This. Do you guys hear this?
Adam Stacoviak
We stole this.
Jerod Santo
This is different.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Did you?
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. Well, internally stole it...
Jerod Santo
We stole it from you.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, okay. I was like...
Adam Stacoviak
We stole it from ourselves.
Jerod Santo
So you put this crowd noise in at the beginning of the album.
Adam Stacoviak
He's like "What? I made that. Are you kidding me?"
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. Who? What?
Jerod Santo
Yeah, he's like "What did I --"
Adam Stacoviak
I got friends together.
Jerod Santo
First of all, did you actually make all those noises? Or is that one of those things where you get some wav files and --
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, I just found a bunch of crowds. It's like three different ones kind of blended together to keep it from -- to make them all like roar with approval at the right moment, and then fade out in a way that doesn't sound too bad.
Adam Stacoviak
Yes. And a lot of detail in there too to get that right... Because you're right, it does naturally perfectly fade. And then about two-ish seconds into the crowd coming up, there's sort of a swell... Like as if the track began, and the track got good, and everybody got excited about the track coming into play. Like as if you're live at the DJ.
Jerod Santo
Okay, I pictured it like the DJ finally walked out on stage. Like, they're all kind of waiting, they hear it coming, and they're like "Oh, there they are."
Breakmaster Cylinder
"Ohhh, it's that's that guy...!!"
Jerod Santo
Yeah, it's like "Oh, we're getting started...!" It's called Party Started, so...
Adam Stacoviak
The lights came on... Kind of thing.
Jerod Santo
Yeah. Like, it's time. It's time.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, for sure.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's so on.
Jerod Santo
And then we stole it from you. So now we just put it in random places, at the top of the Changelog, for instance... You know, we kind of figured that -- I don't know, Adam, do you just think people would naturally be excited, they'd be clapping for us if we came out on stage?
Adam Stacoviak
You know, honestly, when these albums come out, I like to reuse a lot of the music we use in them, obviously, in like interstitials... I'm like, I want to just pay homage to what's been released, so that when people go and listen to it, it sounds familiar, in a way. So I kind of borrowed it temporarily, and now it's kind of stuck. So I like it. I think we need to have different variations of it at some point. Having a crowd begin kind of feels a bit like truly world class, in my opinion.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Adam Stacoviak
But initially, it was just to give a nod to the album out there, and have similarity.
Breakmaster Cylinder
"Changelog...!"
Jerod Santo
Yeah, exactly. It could be delusions of grandeur, it could be a little bit of that...
Breakmaster Cylinder
No way... Have you done any live shows ever? People would cheer.
Jerod Santo
I mean, we've been on stage and done some stuff, but not the -- some clapping. I don't know if I would say to cheers. We've had claps, I don't think we've ever had cheers. But I would love if we could like work in "Adam Stacoviak I love youuuuuu...!" \[laughter\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
I could totally do that.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, my gosh...
Breakmaster Cylinder
\[unintelligible 00:11:20.26\] away from the microphone.
Jerod Santo
We could just imagine it into existence...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Do you have nicknames? Like the Stack?
Jerod Santo
The Stack, yeah. We could definitely do some nicknames.
Adam Stacoviak
Some people call me Stack, some call me Stacks, with an s at the end, plural...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Change it to an X and there's your DJ name already.
Adam Stacoviak
There we go, yeah.
Jerod Santo
I don't know if Skrillex would allow it. It's too close. Stax, Skrillex...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, he'd \[unintelligible 00:11:45.10\]
Adam Stacoviak
It's true.
Breakmaster Cylinder
\[unintelligible 00:11:48.05\] Clapping is like cheering of the hands. That's on the way...
Jerod Santo
\[00:11:56.18\] Yeah, I think we're on our way... Here's what I think would happen actually, if we ever did do -- because we hint, and we tease, and we talk about a conference, a party, a meet-up, a show, a hangout... We've never done any of these things. But every time we're talking about it behind the scenes, we're like "Do you think BMC would come and DJ that thing live?" And Adam's like "Oh, I'm sure." And I'm like "I'm not sure, but I hope so."
Adam Stacoviak
I've already asked him.
Jerod Santo
Oh yeah. We already got a yes. So that's where I think we would get our cheer for the first time, is like when you drop the beat initially, live, for Changelog listeners and friends... That's when I think our claps are going to turn it into cheers for the first time.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That would be an honor.
Jerod Santo
I would cheer.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Aw, thanks.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, I would have to join the party and cheer as well.
Breakmaster Cylinder
From peer pressure?
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. Well, pure joy, really.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Pure Joy. That's good.
Adam Stacoviak
Tapped right into my intravenous vein there, it's just like "Got it." The joy is in there.
Jerod Santo
Intravenously. Wow.
Adam Stacoviak
The BMC has entered the building... That's how it goes.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's awesome.
Adam Stacoviak
But the way this album opens up is like the truly good beat though. I mean, you got the party started, Jerod. You kind of played that. There's like - what, 20 seconds of cheer, and then... You know, that beat drops.
Jerod Santo
And then we drop the Bump on a Log.
**Sample**: \[00:13:14.10\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, I do like these for openers. That bass is like sparse, and \[00:13:25.23\] if you ever heard the song a long time ago...
Jerod Santo
Right. That's my favorite part. What do you call that though, \[unintelligible 00:13:31.07\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's a synthesizer. It's a little atonal... I mean, it has pitch, but it's like not notes necessarily, is it? I don't know...
Jerod Santo
This is what I've always loved about electronic music, is the layers. Like, you're just layering on more sounds over time... That's like the move, isn't it?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah... You're supposed to be thinking about how many sounds can a listener really process at once.
Jerod Santo
I'm gonna stop that so we can talk to each other, but man... Yeah, it just starts simple, and then it's just more and more and more, and it's very mathematical... Right? It has to be timed out right, otherwise it's weird.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I like weird man stuff... I mean, that one isn't an example of it, but I like instruments with different length patterns kind of overlapping.
Jerod Santo
Gotcha. That's some of your taste there... But yeah, is starts out with a banger, Bump on a Log... I think the other one that we potentially considered was Bass is the Place to start it out...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah.
**Sample**: \[00:14:34.23\]
Jerod Santo
And prior to that you had something entirely different, and I was like "It has to start with a banger." Remember that?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yes. You were right.
Jerod Santo
What were you starting with, do you remember?
Breakmaster Cylinder
I don't know... Four to the Floor... One of these Halt & Catch Pyre songs maybe?
Jerod Santo
Right...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Of which there are many.
Adam Stacoviak
They're good, but they're not Bump on a Log.
Jerod Santo
Right.
Breakmaster Cylinder
This is way more amped, I agree. It was a good choice.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, yeah. The way that comes in is like "This is a party."
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, it's a party.
Adam Stacoviak
And you had better dance, or else...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. Dancing is mandatory.
Adam Stacoviak
For sure. I mean, whenever this officially dropped on Spotify, it was listable to the world -- I think actually it might have been the Dropbox version of it before it was out there... I played it in my living room for my kids, and they love the dance. We always have dance parties. We literally have dance parties already. And so I'd throw various types of music like this onto the speakers, bump it to 75-80, whatever the number is, basically almost 100... And we'd just rock it out. And these kids literally danced the entire album.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, sweet!
Adam Stacoviak
The whole album. I mean, I skipped over some of the middle parts, to get to the -- because I was actually thinking like "I'm QA-ing this. How does this sound on real speakers, really loud, as if I'm a listener out there, enjoying it in my living room, on my big banging speakers, and I'm just going at it, basically?"
Breakmaster Cylinder
Sweet.
Adam Stacoviak
\[00:16:12.18\] So I skipped a little bit, but for the whole album, dancing it out, the whole way.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Kids' reactions is perfect.
Adam Stacoviak
They were loving it, they had showers afterwards, and went right to bed, directly.
Jerod Santo
You wore them out, BMC. You wore them out.
Breakmaster Cylinder
This album will wear out your children. Okay. Cool. That's high praise. That's super-high praise.
Adam Stacoviak
And the speakers, just to be super-nerdy... The speakers I had them on were Klipsch PRO-250RPW LCRs. Just so you know. So I have dual \[unintelligible 00:16:40.27\] a 1" titanium dome tweeter, \[unintelligible 00:16:46.25\] just so you know.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Just off the top of your head, huh?
Adam Stacoviak
Just so you know... And probably about 100 Watts, at least, per speaker.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Sweet.
Adam Stacoviak
Maybe 150 per speaker. So that's a decent beat. That's a decent bump.
Jerod Santo
Do you know what he's talking about? Because I know what Klipsch is, but beyond that, I just...
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, no, no... Remember Skullcandy head buds.
Jerod Santo
Oh, yeah.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I know those...! \[laughter\] No, I'm kidding.
Jerod Santo
That's what this is designed to sound good on...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, right.
Adam Stacoviak
Well, he knows Dr. Klipsch.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Vaguely...
Adam Stacoviak
He should.
Breakmaster Cylinder
But now that I know that, please listen to all the music and tell me how it bumps, because that's going to be just the best possible system...
Adam Stacoviak
That's where I test things at, I test things in that living room, or in the theater, with similar speakers. But Dr. Klipsch made famous the Klipsch horn. It's this old school -- back in the '50s-'60s invented this furniture-style speaker... And it's just magnificent to look at as a speaker. And all the tech that Klipsch has today has come from his original -- he's a physicist. He's all about sound design and whatnot. And he's done some amazing speakers. So Klipsch is my brand. That's what I love.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Excellent.
Jerod Santo
Well, speaking of playing it for your kids, this reminds me of the initial Go Time theme song, which we made years and years ago together. You made most of it... We gave you feedback... And I remember playing it for Ezra when he was two. He's like almost 10 now. So it had to be eight years ago.
Adam Stacoviak
Dang...
Jerod Santo
And I remember he was sitting at the kitchen table - I had a video of this, and I remember sending it to you...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yes, I do remember.
Jerod Santo
...and he just goes crazy with the head bumps. And then it finally ends and he goes "Will you play that again for me, dad?" or something real cute.
**Audio**: \[00:18:33.28\]
And he was just -- that Go Time theme song was all he wanted to listen to.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Excellent. That's awesome.
Jerod Santo
Yeah. So you rate highly with the youth.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I care about that. I really do.
Jerod Santo
It sounded sarcastic, but I think it was sincere.
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, no, no. They'll tell you if something's terrible.
Jerod Santo
That's true.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Or they'll just like walk away and be like -- you know...
Jerod Santo
I mean, when they're dancing, it's all out of pure vibes. There's no putting on airs.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Totally.
Jerod Santo
And if they don't want to dance, they're not going to. They're like "This song isn't moving me."
Breakmaster Cylinder
No.
Jerod Santo
So that is a high praise.
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, it's always been like -- yeah.
**Break**: \[00:19:25.03\]
Jerod Santo
So take us through the Halt & Catches, because this was Halt & Catch Fire inspired music; there's about four of them. Halt & Catch Pyre... Halt & Do Not Pass Go, Halt & Catch a Cold... Which is awesome. And then my favorite, Halt & Cacciatore, which I had to look up... That's like a pasta dish, or something?
Breakmaster Cylinder
A pasta dish.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, Halt & Cacciatore.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Halt & Cacciatore. Not catch a Tory.
Jerod Santo
Right. It's all one word. It's an Italian word. I think Adam was bugging you for some Halt & Catch Fire-inspired stuff, and it must have went on for a while, because you ended up with a lot of tracks.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, he super-was. You super-were.
Jerod Santo
Is that the whole story? \[laughs\] Is there more?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, if you ever listen to it, it has a really, really specific sound to it.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, it does.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's an '80s, early '90s, maybe '80s kind of vibe...
Jerod Santo
BMC, what's your favorite of these four? We'll play a few seconds from it here.
Breakmaster Cylinder
The first one's my favorite. Halt & Catch Pyre.
Jerod Santo
Alright.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's probably the first one we did too, so it's a little closer to the...
Jerod Santo
Oh yeah, this was at the top of the Changelog. Still is, isn't it? Yeah, Adam uses this one as his intro.
**Sample**: \[00:23:59.02\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, I like that broken up little synth thing that's barely appearing... There's a gate on it, so it kind of crackles... If that means anything.
Jerod Santo
Why is it crackle? Because there's a gate on it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Because it will only play when it's reached a certain volume level... And then everything after that gets cut off immediately. So it's a fast attack, fast release. And that's kind of cool. You can make things sound really electronic, like anything -- I do this with the cellos and things, or flutes, or whatever... It will just crackle into existence, and then it'll disappear, because whatever was before it was not quite loud enough.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
Gotcha. That's interesting.
Adam Stacoviak
I actually go between those two. I don't always do that one. I do a couple of the others. So basically, all the Halt & Catch whatevers I've used for intros - I dig those ones, of course. What else do I use for intros? I don't even know the name of them, I just know how they sound.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, the titles mean nothing...
Jerod Santo
Yeah, the titles are meaningless, which is why sometimes you're like "I have to hear it first to even know what you're talking about" when you say the name.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yup, yup.
Jerod Santo
Like Impetuous Loggers for Change. I can't even imagine what that sounds like right now...
Breakmaster Cylinder
No... How many titles can I put log in?
Jerod Santo
Yeah. You've done a pretty good job with that. Of the titles though, of the Halt titles, I have to admit, Halt & Do Not Pass Go is just \[unintelligible 00:25:26.02\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, yeah? I'm glad.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. I think it was Tetris Schmetris, which is jumping the gun a little bit, but...
Jerod Santo
Oh, we can go there.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh yeah, Tetris Schmetris. That's for that documentary you saw about Tetris.
Jerod Santo
Tetris, the movie.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Tetris, the movie.
Jerod Santo
Which I got all excited about and then I never watched it. It's kind of what I do.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's nonfiction, right? I mean, it's a documentary. It's not like walks from space...
Jerod Santo
Well, no, it's a dramatic fiction poetry story...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Got it.
Jerod Santo
What do you call those?
Adam Stacoviak
Dramatization?
Jerod Santo
Yeah, a dramatization of a true story... Which was interesting, particularly to us, because Adam actually interviewed the guy in which it was dramatizing.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Really?
Adam Stacoviak
\[00:26:05.05\] Hank Rogers, yeah. It was really interesting to watch that, considering the conversation, and I guess how old that conversation is in comparison to I guess just the entropy of Tetris, really. You can't stop Tetris, you know? I mean, the film is evident of that. I won't ruin it for anybody, but it gets out. It can't be stopped.
Jerod Santo
You can't stop the signal.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. Licensing couldn't stop it, governments couldn't stop it...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Wow.
Adam Stacoviak
And it's really interesting how the game began. It began as a programmer's love to program, but then to program a game. And that to me was the beautiful part of it, was the connection between Hank Rogers and the fellow that created it. I think his name is Sergey, if I recall correctly. It was based on programming. Like, what language, how was it written? All that stuff. It was the game too, but then it was also how was the game written to change it to be more playable, and change the rules of the game?
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's so cool.
Adam Stacoviak
It's pretty wild.
Jerod Santo
So you watched it... I think it was like on Apple TV Plus, or something... And then you said "This music is good."
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
You being Adam. And then he said "BMC... Tetris Schmetris, please."
Breakmaster Cylinder
I said "Okay."
Adam Stacoviak
Well, I don't know if it came like -- I think I was like... What did I say to you, BMC? I was just like "This album... All the music in this entire film is amazing. Go watch the film, and be inspired", I think is probably what I said. Some version of that.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
Because the movie does have a phenomenal soundtrack. It's really well done. I think that's the beauty of what we do in this version of podcasting, Jerod, is that we can sort of be influenced by the world, and share that back with BMC, and say "Please make similarities. Be inspired by x, and let's bring that into this." I feel like that's the ultimate way to remix the world. Everything's just a remix anyways... And I think it's less about "Let's have what they have", but more like "Man, that's so cool. Let's do versions of that to spread that version more into the world."
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, they're using techniques or sounds or things that you can evolve on.
Adam Stacoviak
For sure.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Remix the world...! Yas.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, absolutely.
Jerod Santo
I love a bit of homage. So BMC, did you go to actually watch Tetris, or did you just go listen to some of the music and then say "Tetris Schmetris"?
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, I didn't watch it... Although I'm watching it in my head overlaid over everything right now, because all you have to say is Tetris, and I'm trying to get lines together...
Jerod Santo
Well, that's very --
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, but I listened to the theme song. I played it a lot. That's what I did.
Jerod Santo
And then this came out the other end right here.
**Sample**: \[00:28:50.16\]
Oh, yeah, you definitely use this one.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
See, that just begs for someone to start talking right there, doesn't it?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Jerod Santo
I think so.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's good to know stuff like that.
Adam Stacoviak
The second one is off by one beat, right? It's on the up.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
Right?
Breakmaster Cylinder
\[unintelligible 00:29:14.22\]
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. Very cool.
Breakmaster Cylinder
The second sixteenth note, if you wanna be --
Jerod Santo
The second sixteenth, Adam,
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, exactly. Sorry about that.
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, I'm not correcting you. \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
I knew it was on the up though, at least.
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, happy you notice it at all.
Adam Stacoviak
Still a track.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I believe the theme song uses the same sounds, and definitely the same BPM; that's like the first thing you can do to make a song sound like another song, is don't deviate from the BPM. The tempo.
Jerod Santo
I love that one. I love that one.
Adam Stacoviak
Gosh... So good, yeah.
Jerod Santo
\[00:29:49.20\] And it's kind of chill too, so it is begging for someone to talk over the top of it. I mean, some tracks where you're like "I love this track, but I couldn't use it as a bed, during a read, because it's just too much going on." Like, you're just gonna be fighting with it. But especially the first part of that is just very melodic and simple, and doesn't have a lot of craziness to it, and so you can just talk right over the top of it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
\[unintelligible 00:30:12.28\]
Jerod Santo
It's good. As BMC would say, "I like it. Maybe you would like it, too."
Breakmaster Cylinder
I do like it. I'm glad you like it, too.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Adam Stacoviak
I was very happy with that track, though. Very, very happy with that track. When I heard it, I was like "You... You...! You...!! You knocked it out of the park. Oh my gosh, this is absolute fire. Give me more, turn it up! Go, go, go!
Breakmaster Cylinder
Go, go, go! Excellent.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, for real. I'll pause for a second and just gush for one second, Jerod. Do you mind if I gush just a brief moment?
Jerod Santo
As long as we can clean up afterwards.
Adam Stacoviak
Seriously, working with you is so freakin awesome...! It really is. Just being able to be inspired by something, and share that with you, and then like something cool comes out the other end that is not just mostly good, it's like really good. To me it's the absolute magic of some of the stuff we do. Of the secret sauces, you're like -- I close the curtain, and I immediately shake the bottle you're in, and I pour you out all over the stuff we do, and then it's just amazing.
Jerod Santo
Okay, stop gushing. It's getting weird. \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
Little BMC... It's like BFF. You're like the BFF, man. You're the BMC BFF. So good. So good.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's hard to know how to respond to that specifically, but it's really nice. It's just very nice. \[laughter\] I don't have anything to say about my sauciness per se, but...
Jerod Santo
Yeah. I mean, the fact that you didn't just hang up and leave says a lot. It speaks volumes, BMC. You're still here, after that...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Feeling uncomfortable and need some more space...
Adam Stacoviak
You've got to illustrate things. You've gotta give people a mental picture.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, agreed. That was a picture. Absolutely.
Jerod Santo
Some pictures you don't have to give to people though. You could give other pictures. But BMC is still here, so he's here for it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, I'm here.
Jerod Santo
Speaking of making things extra special and sprinkling -- what did you say? I don't even know what you said. I tuned it out once it started getting weird... Gushing --
Adam Stacoviak
Just sprinkle you all over.
Jerod Santo
Sprinkle. Yes.
Adam Stacoviak
Well, in fact, I said "shook the bottle and pour you all over."
Jerod Santo
Right. It wasn't a sprinkle. That's why I stopped myself in --
Breakmaster Cylinder
Didn't you say draw the blinds first though?
Adam Stacoviak
I said close the curtain... \[laughter\]
Jerod Santo
Close the curtain in the shower, BMC. He's taking a shower.
Adam Stacoviak
No, no, it's the magician. It's the Great Oz. You can't see what's happening back here...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
It's my magic potions.
Jerod Santo
Oh, I thought you were taking a shower and the shampoo was just BMC, and you were spraying it...
Adam Stacoviak
No, this is like the Great Oz. Closing the curtain, you can't see what's back here... I've got magic things happening, and BMC is one of the bottles I grab and I shake, and I pour onto our podcasts.
Jerod Santo
Okay, so when you said paint a picture, you had painted a different picture in my head than you thought you were painting.
Adam Stacoviak
Well, that's because you've got a dirty mind. I can't help that, okay?
Jerod Santo
No, I have a clean mind. I thought you were taking a shower. Because you closed the curtain, and then you grabbed the bottle, and you start spraying it, and I figured you're just lathering up.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Okay, so let's get into this. Am I more shampoo or conditioner?
Adam Stacoviak
Neither.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Be brutally honest with me.
Jerod Santo
Brutally honest, I would say you're a conditioner. Because you go on second and make it all silky smooth, you know?
Adam Stacoviak
You're the three in one. You're the body wash, you're the shampoo, and you're the conditioner.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, my God.
Adam Stacoviak
Let's get back to the music, okay? Gosh.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Well, I think we're still talking about the music...
Jerod Santo
You made me remember that we haven't spoken to you since State of the 'log. Weren't you on the show prior to, or was it after?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Before, I think...
Jerod Santo
It was before, because people enjoyed that episode last year. Yeah. So we had Jamie Tanna on the show, and he had been a benefactor of your remixes. And so we talked about you with him, and what it felt like to receive a remix. But we haven't talked to you about what -- I mean you took State of the 'log to the next level this year.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That was fun.
Adam Stacoviak
\[00:34:15.08\] See?
Jerod Santo
It was probably like three times better than usual, and we're gonna have to have you do it every year probably now.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Because I'm a three in one, yeah.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, exactly.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, I want to do that. Let's do it every time. You're talking about cutting up people's messages into music, right?
Jerod Santo
Yeah, the voicemails. So cool.
Adam Stacoviak
That was cool.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's like old school, when I was like a little kid and I had a radio and a double tape deck, and I'd just record certain words, and then mash them together on the second tape, and make the Muppets say horrible things, or something...
Jerod Santo
Right. That was amazing.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It was just fun.
Jerod Santo
So much so that I've been reusing those as transitions sometimes... Especially "Enjoy the drop", and a few other phrases that people said, that you then put music to.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Well, yeah, and they also said a bunch of perfect stuff.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, they were really nice. Couldn't have been happier. That almost makes me want to do more States of the 'logs, just so we can have more voicemails, more remixes... But you know, too much of a good thing can be too much.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Your listeners are cool.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, they are. Alright, back to Dance Party though... A couple of these tracks have names like they could be on a different album of ours; perhaps our Next Level album, because we have Tetris... And of course, there's Rainbow Toad Club; that sounds like it's a video game-inspired track. Ridley Gonna Ridley - I believe that's based off of Metroid, because Ridley is a character of Metroid, right?
Adam Stacoviak
That's pretty old. That's a pretty old one for us, I think.
Jerod Santo
It is.
Adam Stacoviak
Like several years old. Same with Sentient Refrigerator.
Jerod Santo
Oh, yeah.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Because everyone knows what that sounds like.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\] That sounds scary to me. So remind me, BMC, why are some of these tracks on this album and not on Next Level, our video game theme-inspired ones?
Breakmaster Cylinder
You said why they're not...?
Jerod Santo
Yeah. Wouldn't those fit well over there? Do you remember why we didn't put them in that one?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Because Next Level was largely - although not entirely - trying to use just sounds from like a video game thing; like if it was a Nintendo Castlevania level... Which - you love Castlevania levels. Adam loves Castlevania levels.
Jerod Santo
Right.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I didn't want to add beats to it necessarily, like modern beats. It was just writing the whole thing using that.
Jerod Santo
Gotcha. Plus I guess we had Dance Party in mind even when we were making that one, so we probably held these back.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Right. So I kept most of the four to the floor... I kept that for later.
Jerod Santo
Well, I have to say, my two favorite tracks on this one are the '80s, I don't know... Miami Bites 1984, and Pole Reposition.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Sure.
Jerod Santo
Which I think was based off of Pole Position. That was a video game one. But very much sounds -- it sounds like it belongs in an '80s cars chase, or something.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, I'm confused about that, because it's a video game, right? But the original song has rockin' studio guitar, kind of... No wait, what do I mean? Not studio.
Jerod Santo
Let's play a little bit of it here...
**Sample**: \[00:37:10.09\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
In-house musicians... Oh, I'm on the Highway to the Dangerzone already...
Jerod Santo
Yeah, there's a little Highway to the Dangerzone there... Which brings me to the '80s. Now, this does feel like a video game, like F0, or some sort of racing game... But even more so like Knight Rider maybe, Knight Rider vibes... I don't know. David Hasselhoff. It just makes me think of David Hasselhoff. As many things do.
Breakmaster Cylinder
The level of cheese, yeah. I thought there was a guitar solo in this.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, this track is just awesome. I'll turn it off now, because I could listen to the whole thing, but...
Adam Stacoviak
\[00:38:04.05\] Yeah. So there was several renditions of that on YouTube, and I've found one where -- and I think this is the one you actually was inspired by, was one that actually had like multiple instruments, I suppose. Like, the same person playing multiple instruments of the Pole Reposition, or Pole Position.
Breakmaster Cylinder
One of those videos with all the mini screens inside it, where they're playing every --
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, exactly.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's cool.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, I think it was something like that. So Pole Position was a popular game on Atari, I believe. Was it on Atari?
Jerod Santo
I thought it was on NES, but...
Breakmaster Cylinder
\[unintelligible 00:38:37.28\]
Jerod Santo
Let me see.
Adam Stacoviak
It was definitely color graphics. I think it was Atari. Like the Joust days...
Jerod Santo
Yes. Released by Namco in '82 and licensed to Atari Inc.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That had to have been really advanced then, if it is the same time as Joust, around there... It was way more advanced.
Jerod Santo
So yeah, the Atari 2600 was the original. And I think it probably got remade onto other things... But yes, you got it right, Atari.
Adam Stacoviak
And I was just like "Let me just go back in my repertoire of games from old." And what were the themes? \[unintelligible 00:39:15.22\] was one of them... This one, obviously, and several others. Metroid, and Castlevania, and Sonic, and all the things.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. Donkey Kong Country. A lot of those. Oh, I love doing the Sonic ones though. Those are too much fun. I've found the virtual instrument that is the same as the sound card they use for the Genesis, and it's just too good.
Jerod Santo
Oh, nice.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. It's awesome.
Adam Stacoviak
I dug the theme remixes based on those. Those are cool.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, and those are on our theme songs album. The second half of the theme songs album is all Sonic remixes of the original theme songs. Which is almost more fun to listen to than the originals... Not that they're not good, they're just so much fun to listen to that second half.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's got nostalgia...
Adam Stacoviak
There's just no end to the goodness. The sauce just keeps coming.
Jerod Santo
Are you guys interested at all in? What the listeners are listening to?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yes.
Adam Stacoviak
Absolutely.
Jerod Santo
Well then...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Taylor Swift?
Jerod Santo
...let sign into our account and see what -- oh no, two-step authentication... What happened here? Okay, BMC, stall for us...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, \[unintelligible 00:40:39.26\] Was that the bonus stage, with like the big sphere, where you had jump over the -- it doesn't matter. But I am stalling...
Adam Stacoviak
"But I am stalling..." \[laughs\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
This sentence proves it as well.
Jerod Santo
Alright, Adam, stall for us.
Adam Stacoviak
I was thinking about "Take on me" by A-ha, as a remix, in the future. It might be my favorite song ever.
Jerod Santo
Really?
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, yeah. If that song comes on, I'm happy.
Jerod Santo
Sure. But that's the only one?
Adam Stacoviak
Well, there's many more, of course, but that's a really solid song.
Breakmaster Cylinder
There are songs that just -- you're never sorry to hear it, ever.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, and that's one of them. I'll listen to it by Weezer, I'll listen to it by the original band, A-ha, of course... There's been many versions of -- there's an acapella version of it, that's really... It's probably 20 years after the original recording. It's just phenomenal. And the lyrics are not -- it's not just a good song, it's good lyrics too, in my opinion. They have meaning.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Sure.
Adam Stacoviak
\[00:41:46.01\] And then of course, back in the MTV days - I grew up in the '80s-'90s, so I want my MTV, basically. But the original music video - gosh... It was quintessential, of course. It was this real-life photography video mixed with cartoon... So cool. Have you seen it?
Breakmaster Cylinder
No. I'm picturing a different video. Yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
What?! Oh my gosh, BMC. We have to steep you in my tastes.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, please.
Adam Stacoviak
I'm gonna keep using cooking metaphors and verbs to describe things...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, I love cooking metaphors for music. You know what I learned to do? Is sautéed tomato paste on its own before you use it in something.
Adam Stacoviak
That's really good. Maybe like spaghetti?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. Or Indian food, particularly... But it transforms it a bit. Way better. Thank you.
Adam Stacoviak
How much do we have to stall here, Jerod?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, we're still stalling, right...
Jerod Santo
Oh, you're still stalling? I thought you were just talking.
Adam Stacoviak
I was stalling.
Jerod Santo
Haah!
Breakmaster Cylinder
You know what version of that I've heard most recently? There's a kid on Spotify replacing the lyrics to make it about Minecraft, and like practically swallowing the microphone... It's just so distorted, and that's immediately what I think of when you say "Take on me", and that's probably a shame.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh. Well, that's just sad...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, I'm sorry...
Adam Stacoviak
We'll have to fix that...
Jerod Santo
Alright, let's stop stalling. It's getting sad. Okay, so on Spotify at least, our most popular song, which maybe this is good timing for you to go there, Adam, is "Paul Oakenfold fights Moby in the alley behind a pan-Asian restaurant." That's our top song on Spotify.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I'm just saying...
Jerod Santo
Over the last month. Not all-time. Their all-time stats - it seemed to be not working for me, so that's why...
Adam Stacoviak
It totally makes sense to me.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Were you suggesting that Moby would win? Because I just don't know...
Jerod Santo
Was I suggesting...?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, at the beginning you were like "Sorry for Paul... Let's feel sorry for Paul, but I feel like Moby's a vegan..."
Jerod Santo
Well, you know how I feel, BMC, because my original title was "Paul Oakenfold beats up Moby."
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, that's true. Yeah, yeah. I tried to soften it somewhat...
Jerod Santo
And you changed it to be more politically correct...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah... How do we always end up almost blasting Moby? This happened the last interview, too.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, that was like a therapy session. "Tell us why you don't like Moby..."
Adam Stacoviak
Well, this is why I think you came up with this, was because of that.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, this came out our last episode together, because we were talking about how we would give you ridiculous requests, and you would fulfill them. And then shortly thereafter - and we also talked about your disdain for Moby; that's tongue in cheek...
Breakmaster Cylinder
I feel like I avoid it...
Jerod Santo
Yeah. And then afterwards, you're like "Hey, maybe we should put a few new tracks on Dance Party. Maybe we should make some more songs."
Breakmaster Cylinder
Definitely.
Jerod Santo
And you took requests. And I just tried to think of the most ridiculous thing I could.
Breakmaster Cylinder
You did, yeah.
Jerod Santo
Because I was trying to challenge you.
Breakmaster Cylinder
You did very well.
Jerod Santo
And the other one I requested didn't actually get made. I can't remember what it was. It had something to do with Andre 3000... But this one got made. And I just said "I want you to write a song called "Paul Oakenfold beats up Moby in the alley behind a sushi restaurant." Now, you refused to do that, but you agreed to write one that's very similar. No, you didn't refuse. Well, we just renamed it over time.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I changed it to pan-Asian, because it uses a lot of Shaw Brothers Kung Fu samples... Which is not Japanese.
Jerod Santo
Right. So it was a very nice touch there, a nice detail that I would have missed.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Let's get it correct.
Jerod Santo
And you also wanted to say "Paul Oakenfold fights Moby", versus "Beats up Moby." Which I'm fine with.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah... I don't know. I felt bad for Moby, I guess...
Jerod Santo
Yeah... I think a lot of people pick on Moby.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Right. I don't need to be -- yeah.
Jerod Santo
Like, once Eminem did it, pretty much -- it was open season on Moby. Don't you think, Adam?
Adam Stacoviak
I didn't know Eminem did that, but I've always been a Moby fan, I guess. Not like a deep fan...
Jerod Santo
I like Moby's music.
Breakmaster Cylinder
You like that album Play.
Jerod Santo
Yeah. Agreed. That's pretty much the one that I know.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's good.
Jerod Santo
But do you remember that Eminem track, when he dissed Moby?
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, that's right. Yeah, I do recall that. And lyrically, he dissed him. Not in an interview. Okay.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, it was a track.
Adam Stacoviak
The way true rappers diss is via tracks, right?
Jerod Santo
Yeah, exactly. But he didn't just like call him a dweeb, or something. He's like "Nobody listens to Moby." He came out and said that, like "You know no one listens to Moby."
Adam Stacoviak
Was that the same one who was mentioning Britney Spears?
Jerod Santo
\[00:46:11.10\] I think so.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
That was back when Eminem could do nothing but drop fire every album, every track.
Adam Stacoviak
I think it was The Real Slim Shady, is the track...
Jerod Santo
Quite possibly.
Adam Stacoviak
Because that was the one he was like -- yeah, I think so.
Jerod Santo
Anyways. So ever since then, people have been picking on Moby. I do like some of Moby's music, I don't have any problem with the guy. I don't even know him. But I thought it'd be funny that Paul Oakenfold beat him up in a song title. That's all.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's all.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\] Regardless, this is what came out. So from that request, I didn't give you any more information. I just gave you that.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, yeah.
Jerod Santo
And you went and came up with this.
**Sample**: \[00:46:47.08\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's the Paul Oakenfold bit, for sure.
Jerod Santo
That definitely has Paul Oakenfold written all over it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, the Moby bit uses the line from Porcelain... "And this is goodbye...", which has the little four notes. Five notes...
Jerod Santo
So that's a nod to Moby. And then there's like Kung Fu noises.
Adam Stacoviak
Love that stuff.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's it.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, I like that. I like that.
Breakmaster Cylinder
"This is goodbye."
Jerod Santo
This is a good song.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Thanks.
Jerod Santo
In fact, when I first listened to it, I thought "He's doing the Kung Fu noises because of the song title, but I wonder if he doesn't even need them, and maybe they're distracting." But then I got used to them and I like them now, so I got over it... But I wonder what other people think about that.
See, I like them now, but at first I was like "Huh..."
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, it could be too far. It makes it very --
Jerod Santo
But it makes me actually visualize a fight.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It just sounds good. It's punctuation. I don't know. It's nice rhythmically... But it doesn't fit with Changelog in any way... Thematically... I think...
Jerod Santo
True. And I don't think we use it for anything... \[laughs\] Except for this.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah...
Jerod Santo
Because yeah, I don't think I would put this into an episode necessarily.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. Where are you gonna find a matching context for those...?
Adam Stacoviak
An outro.
Jerod Santo
An outro, or something where -- maybe a debate episode, you know?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Okay, sure...
Jerod Santo
Yeah, it definitely was just a fun diversion, and just a... It's just here for the Dance Party.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I'm all about a fun diversion.
Jerod Santo
And the kids on Spotify seem to like it, more than other stuff, at least.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Cool.
Adam Stacoviak
Well, I have some good news about this track... Good news that you didn't even know.
Jerod Santo
What's that?
Adam Stacoviak
This is brand new information, straight from Spotify's API... When you search for "Paul Oakenfold", under tracks, which lists the songs that reference or are attached to Paul Oakenfold, this track comes up as 234. Now, I believe Moby has somehow gamed the algorithm, because it is nowhere in existence in Moby's search.
Jerod Santo
It turns out lots of people do listen to Moby.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Is he still doing stuff? You know, I don't care. Anyway...
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
It doesn't matter.
Jerod Santo
"You know, I don't care. Don't answer that."
Breakmaster Cylinder
Is your shirt a Godfather thing? I can only see the very top, but the font looks Godfathery.
Jerod Santo
Me?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah.
Jerod Santo
It's the Changelog. This is the old school Changelog.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's nice.
Jerod Santo
The original.
Adam Stacoviak
The OG.
Jerod Santo
Yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
Have we got a favorite song?
Jerod Santo
From this album, or overall?
Adam Stacoviak
On this whole album.
Jerod Santo
Well, I shared mine. "Miami bites" and "Pole reposition" are the two. I probably couldn't pick from those two.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I mean, I think I like -- I do like "Bump on a Log." I'm really boring, but... I like the Orange Night.
Jerod Santo
The Orange Night's so deep in the tracklist that I don't always get to it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah... \[unintelligible 00:50:05.20\]
**Sample**: \[00:50:09.07\]
Jerod Santo
Yeah, this one could have been like what Bump on a Log is almost.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, it could have opened up, too.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Close, yeah.
Jerod Santo
It takes a little long to get to --
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, I like Bump better.
Jerod Santo
I do, too.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I don't know, this has got to be one you can't really talk over either. Why do you let me keep doing this?
Adam Stacoviak
Well, you know, some of them are just good, and we can't stop you, honestly.
Jerod Santo
Not all of our music needs to be talked over either.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, that's true. Not everything's a bumper, I realized, but...
Adam Stacoviak
I don't like to resist art, honestly. I like to just let it flow.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I like that about you.
Adam Stacoviak
My favorite is Dusk Under a Flaming Moon.
Jerod Santo
Oh, that's a good one, too.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's the same style as Jerod's favorite.
Jerod Santo
It is.
Adam Stacoviak
In particular the middle section of it gets really good. You've gotta listen to it for a bit to get there though.
Jerod Santo
This is a longer track. It's almost three minutes.
Adam Stacoviak
I mean, it's just -- you could talk over this one, no problem.
Jerod Santo
Yeah. This also feels like I'm driving at nighttime.
Adam Stacoviak
Yes. It's an adventure.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Driving at nighttime, and it's really saturated neon pink and purple in my head.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, exactly.
Like Tron almost...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Sure. I'm always thinking of that movie Drive. It had that song Night Call in it that was cool.
Adam Stacoviak
Drive was a good movie.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, this track is awesome.
Adam Stacoviak
When this guitar solo comes in though, I'm just thinking like you just grabbed the guitar and did this somehow. But the strings made the solo coming up. Sorry.
Jerod Santo
Did you grab your guitar and make this happen?
Adam Stacoviak
Right here.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, those noises?
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. Like, this is an awesome solo. It's the only reason to listen to the whole song. This is it right here. This right here. This moment.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I don't know if that was a guitar, honestly. It has that feeling though, doesn't it?
Yeah, it does, now that I think about it. I haven't thought about it that hard until now. It does kind of feel like a guitar. Or some crazy...
\[unintelligible 00:52:44.20\]
Jerod Santo
I think if you did play our live show, you should probably do this one on the guitar...
Breakmaster Cylinder
I can't play guitar... \[laughter\]
Jerod Santo
What?!
Breakmaster Cylinder
I mean, a little bit. Sometimes I need like acoustic guitar chords, so...
Jerod Santo
Don't ruin our dreams, BMC.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, sorry. No, I'll learn for you, obviously.
Jerod Santo
Thank you.
Breakmaster Cylinder
\[unintelligible 00:53:06.25\]
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, gosh... That's the best track of the whole album, in my opinion. That's it.
Jerod Santo
It is good. Well, what are you working on now? What should we do next? What's cookin'? What's poppin'? What's breakin' and poppin'?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Wow... So many questions.
Jerod Santo
It's all the same question.
Adam Stacoviak
It's true.
Breakmaster Cylinder
How do I break this down between --
Jerod Santo
I was stalling.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That was very good. What am I doing? That's a podcast theme. That's a podcast theme. That's the thing I really want to talk about, but cannot.
Jerod Santo
Oh.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh. That's a podcast theme.
Jerod Santo
We're making podcast themes.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Working on a video game that teaches kids how to play piano. Just really cool.
Jerod Santo
Nice. That's cool.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. Writing a book...
Jerod Santo
You're writing a book?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, which is like the most horrible thing someone can say to you... Because you're like "No, you're not. You're really not." And then you're like "I have to act like I'm interested in someone's book." But it's true.
Jerod Santo
I'm interested that you're writing a book, not necessarily in the book... Unless you tell me what it's about and I get interested, but... That's kind of interesting.
Breakmaster Cylinder
\[00:54:16.02\] I won't do that to you, but...
Jerod Santo
Yeah, don't do that to us.
Adam Stacoviak
Music theory? Beat matching?
Breakmaster Cylinder
No... It's like Nancy Drew, if everyone was really worried what was wrong with Nancy Drew.
Jerod Santo
It's like Nancy Drew on drugs?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, but not literally. But yeah. I was informed the other day that my main character is completely insane, and I hadn't actually realized that. I thought she was just dedicated, and...
Jerod Santo
You though she was just dedicated... Well, that's interesting. So who's reading this book of yours and giving you feedback?
Breakmaster Cylinder
You know, people floating about...
Jerod Santo
Okay.
Adam Stacoviak
"You know...
Jerod Santo
The Mysterious. This is why we say The Mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, my gosh...
Jerod Santo
"People floating about."
Adam Stacoviak
Always a surprise with you.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Is it? Well, now I wanna be more surprising, though I don't know...
Jerod Santo
Yeah. Well, I mean, the fact that you're writing a book and you're just letting people who float about read it is a surprise.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I mean, I know the people...
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Adam Stacoviak
"Here, read this!"
Breakmaster Cylinder
I'm on street corners, being like "Hold on!!"
Adam Stacoviak
"Be surprised."
Jerod Santo
You're like "Is this main character too dedicated, or what do you think?"
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, right. Right.
Jerod Santo
So it's a mystery.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's a series of mysteries.
Jerod Santo
Oh, wow.
Adam Stacoviak
It has to be. \[unintelligible 00:55:24.13\]
Jerod Santo
Well, I know. I'm just trying to tease here.
Breakmaster Cylinder
She goes around solving mysteries, but writes down details that have no bearing on anything, and starts freaking out about spiders, and has a group of first-graders that she uses to do her detective work, and runs screaming through the streets, and lies to everyone, all the time... It's like the best book I've ever heard, now that I say that.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, it doesn't sound bad, actually...
Adam Stacoviak
What age is Nancy Drew in this book you're writing?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, 36.
Adam Stacoviak
Wow. Okay.
Breakmaster Cylinder
But none of this actually matters. Like, it does, but there's an overarching thing.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh my gosh, this is actually like a gold mine here.
Jerod Santo
I kind of want to read this now.
Adam Stacoviak
Me too.
Jerod Santo
How do we float about in your area?
Breakmaster Cylinder
You are floating about in my area.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Adam Stacoviak
Let's get a manuscript.
Jerod Santo
Oh, gosh. Are you gonna publish this?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, actually... I have someone who will read it and consider representing. An agent.
Jerod Santo
Awesome. What's the deadline? Uh-oh...
Adam Stacoviak
How does this work? Can you write? Do you have to get like the rights to Nancy Drew though, to publish a book about --
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, it's not really Nancy Drew. It's just -- she solves mysteries, and is apparently insane.
Jerod Santo
You're just characterizing it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, \[unintelligible 00:56:41.16\]
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, I see. Well, that's actually interesting.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I'm glad.
Adam Stacoviak
In a way.
Jerod Santo
"In a way..." \[laughs\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
From some angle...
Jerod Santo
He almost gave you a compliment...
Adam Stacoviak
What's interesting about it is that Nancy Drew was a teen in the book series, right?
Breakmaster Cylinder
I guess so, yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
And she ultimately grew up and had things happen in her life when she went to college, and... So the story arc of Nancy Drew follows Nancy Drew's growing up, in a way.
Jerod Santo
I feel like you're just reading ChatGPT responses to us at this point.
Adam Stacoviak
No, I'm not. I'm very familiar with Nancy Drew. Very familiar.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I'm not, honestly, but --
Jerod Santo
I just \[unintelligible 00:57:16.17\] a young female detective, or mystery solver. That's as far as I went.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Life is full of mystery.
Jerod Santo
True.
Adam Stacoviak
And then she's 36 now, or 37, as you said. I mean, that to me is like --
Jerod Santo
It's not actually Nancy Drew though, Adam. He was just giving us something to hang \[unintelligible 00:57:33.12\]
Adam Stacoviak
I'm just trying to pin back to Nancy. I mean, that's the hook.
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, please. Anything you know about Nancy Drew... It'd probably just help me \[unintelligible 00:57:41.16\]
Jerod Santo
Does this pin back to Nancy?
Adam Stacoviak
Well, he said so. It's like a Nancy Drew.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's a series of mysteries. There's a spider that keeps repeating. You're like "Why is the spider repeating?"
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\] Is this like a real spider, like a monster, is it --
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's a real spider.
Jerod Santo
Okay. So it's plausible fiction.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. There's an actual reason for it, but everything appears supernatural. It's the case of the repeating spider, and then the mystery of the missing missing arm.
Jerod Santo
\[00:58:07.03\] Ah. And what's your intended audience age? Like, is this for adults? It this for young adults? Is this for children?
Breakmaster Cylinder
I swear a lot... A lot. Otherwise kids could read it.
Jerod Santo
Could you release two editions, one for everybody?
Breakmaster Cylinder
I've actually thought about that... Because I would enjoy reading this aloud to some kids.
Jerod Santo
So why is your protagonist an insane person?
Breakmaster Cylinder
I didn't know she was insane... She's me to a very large extent.
Jerod Santo
Oh, okay. Interesting. I mean, I would definitely -- I would read this.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I'm gonna send you one.
Jerod Santo
Okay.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Sorry...
Jerod Santo
No, don't be sorry.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Okay.
Jerod Santo
Don't apologize yet. Wait till I read it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. I had to research social security fraud a lot for this.
Jerod Santo
Don't give us hints, man. I want the mystery to be fresh. I don't want to have any sort of preconceived notions now. I can't imagine a world in which a repeating spider would have a natural explanation, so I'm very curious.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Even better is this is something that happened to me. It's not even like -- there was a repeating spider and I couldn't figure out why it was repeating, and then I found out, and it blew my mind.
Jerod Santo
Wow.
Adam Stacoviak
I don't understand repeating spider. Like, literally?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, I'm just being vague...
Jerod Santo
You kept seeing the same spider?
Breakmaster Cylinder
There's a dead spider on the second floor of a building, and I flicked it down to the first floor, and then later it was there again... And I was like "Spiders are not supposed to repeat."
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, I see.
Jerod Santo
Did you think it was maybe a glitch in the Matrix \[unintelligible 00:59:33.14\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
Right. And she really doesn't like glitches in the matrix. She wants everything to be orderly, and make sense, or she loses her mind. And in this case, there's a reason.
Jerod Santo
Love it.
Adam Stacoviak
It could be the mimic.
Breakmaster Cylinder
What's the mimic?
Adam Stacoviak
And the blood from the mimic. That was the premise for Tom Cruise's movie with Emily Blunt, Live Die Repeat.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
Edge of Tomorrow. One of the best science fiction movies ever.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I remember that one being really good, actually.
Adam Stacoviak
Definitely up there in my list.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah? What other sci-fi movies do you like?
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, gosh... Probably my favorite of all --
Jerod Santo
Don't say Tenet.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Don't say Prime.
Adam Stacoviak
Prime?
Jerod Santo
Primer?
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, Prime. Oh, is it Primer? The low-budget time machine --
Jerod Santo
A low-budget time machine is called Primer, but it's spelled Primer.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, my bad.
Jerod Santo
It's alright.
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, but you can answer the question. We're just shouting the bad movies...
Jerod Santo
Yes.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's not even a bad movie.
Jerod Santo
He's thinking...
Adam Stacoviak
I mean, there's just a list. I mean, it's a nonstop list.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Okay.
Jerod Santo
Okay. Give us a top five.
Adam Stacoviak
Interstellar, Tenet, Ready Player One, Dune... What's the movie -- Blade Runner 2049?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, that was good.
Adam Stacoviak
OG Blade Runner, of course...
Jerod Santo
Five. Are you gonna count that as one, Blade Runner and --
Adam Stacoviak
I mean, they're together, basically...
Jerod Santo
Sure.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I'm impressed anybody who could pick up that franchise and make a movie \[unintelligible 01:00:58.16\]
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, that was a solid film there.
Breakmaster Cylinder
He also did the Dune movies you like. Same director.
Adam Stacoviak
Yes. Well, basically, anything Christopher Nolan does, I will watch. That was not the obviously director of that one, but I'll watch anything from him. And oddly enough - this is not this is not science fiction, this is more horror...
Jerod Santo
Well, that's just a different category.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah... I'm just looking at my list.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
Well, let's see. There might be some genre blending.
Jerod Santo
Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Let's hear it.
Adam Stacoviak
This is what they say "They're all going to laugh at you", in that funny voice, from the movies... Megan, honestly. It's a really interesting AI present day horror movie.
Jerod Santo
I never saw it.
Adam Stacoviak
It's an okay plot.
Breakmaster Cylinder
You know what's an incredible sci-fi horror movie? Annihilation.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh my gosh, yes. The best. The song in there from Hall & Oates in there though? I mean, just stellar. On point.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Is it?
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. I think it's Hall & Oates.
Breakmaster Cylinder
There's a lot of like folk music, like folk guitar, which is really unnerving, for some reason... And the ending music, where - I won't give anything away, but Natalie Portman --
Adam Stacoviak
\[01:02:03.15\] Oh, my gosh. The music is so good.
Breakmaster Cylinder
...the space melon... That will haunt me until I die. That is incredible.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. You have to come to my house and watch it, because that's where it's the best...
Breakmaster Cylinder
You said theater. Do you have a theater?
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, I have a theater in my house... And you'll love it. I'm trying to find the song... There's a song that I'm trying to think of what it is. It's worth it. It's when he comes back, and he's come up the stairs; that song. And she's painting.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, in the beginning. Yeah. Okay.
Adam Stacoviak
Yes. That song.
Breakmaster Cylinder
You know far more about Hall & Oates than I do.
Adam Stacoviak
I don't actually think it's Hall & Oates. That's why I'm really curious if I'm wrong, because I don't think it is... But I'm a big fan of Annihilation. I own it on 4k. If I own it on 4k, I love the movie. That's just how it works.
Jerod Santo
Let me name a few sci-fi movies that didn't make your list, which maybe you'll have to add them as I say them... Because you left off some pretty good movies, although you can't name just five. Who can do that...? But for instance, you left off Terminator II, you left off The Matrix, you left off Aliens... You left off the original Planet of the Apes...
Breakmaster Cylinder
These are ones that just go without saying, because they're just so --
Jerod Santo
Kind of. But I've said them. There's a few you left off the list... How about this one - Minority Report.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That was an early movie obsession of mine. That was so good.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, that was a good one. Spielberg.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, gosh... I was so off. Sorry. Crosby, Stills and Nash. Helplessly Hoping. I mean, the harmony... Sorry to interrupt, Jerod. The harmony of those folks singing that track...
Breakmaster Cylinder
They have good harmony.
Adam Stacoviak
So good.
Jerod Santo
What's the track called?
Adam Stacoviak
It's called Helplessly Hoping. Pull it up on Spotify. Helplessly Hoping. And play it for us.
Jerod Santo
Okay, give me a second. Stall them, BMC...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Okay... \[gargling 01:04:02.22\] I tried to make it through that. Gargling solo.
Jerod Santo
A for effort.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Thank you.
Helplessly Hoping
\[01:04:17.06\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, yeah...
Adam Stacoviak
Right?
Breakmaster Cylinder
It was so good. Such a good track.
Jerod Santo
The harmonizing is where it's at, you're right.
Adam Stacoviak
This is the only real track, like real song in the whole movie. Everything else is made for this movie soundtrack.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's like acoustic guitar, which is totally opposite what's happening on the screen, and it feels good... And then there's the space melon music, which is terrifying.
Adam Stacoviak
Space melon.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, when Natalie Portman gazes into the melon.
Adam Stacoviak
Actually, how about this? We'll come out of this show with a prescription. The prescription is to go rewatch Annihilation, or pick your favorite scene; the ending scene, when everybody gets enveloped... And make a space melon song for us. Those bass beats...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Those bass notes?
Adam Stacoviak
I mean, we'll have to suck in the audience into this one. That's what will happen.
Breakmaster Cylinder
How terrifying does your show ever get, though, really?
Adam Stacoviak
It might have to get a little scary... \[laughter\]
Jerod Santo
Yeah... We're gonna have to start fear-mongering. You know, "The AI is coming...! It's gonna envelop all of us!!" I mean, people are kind of afraid right now, honestly.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, are they really?
Jerod Santo
I think so.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Just in general, or AI?
Jerod Santo
Software developers. Our livelihoods are potentially at stake. People are getting laid off, they're getting told that they're going to be replaced by machines... I mean, I think that if there was a time of fear in the software developer community, this is probably the highest it's been.
Adam Stacoviak
True.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Because there hasn't really been a reason to be afraid of anything, besides maybe the y2k bug.
Adam Stacoviak
But not because of our podcast, though. They're not necessarily scared because of our shows.
Jerod Santo
Not yet...
Breakmaster Cylinder
I wasn't suggesting you were causing the fear... You discuss the fear, you don't actively terrorize people.
Jerod Santo
\[01:06:11.09\] We don't fear-monger, no. Not yet. Not until we have the soundtrack.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, God...
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Adam Stacoviak
Well, so to go back... I did not mention The Matrix, I'm sorry. That is on my list on 4k. I was going with more modern, I suppose...
Jerod Santo
No, it's all good. We've put you on the spot. I mean, there's too many good movies to just name five...
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, gosh. I mean, just so many. So many good movies.
Jerod Santo
But yeah, The Matrix and Minority Report - I guess they also were kind of coming out when I was coming of age, and so those stick in my head as just very -- The Matrix is probably the most influential sci-fi movie I've ever seen, where I still think about it...
Adam Stacoviak
Ex Machina.
Jerod Santo
Ex Machina is good. I liked that.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That's the Annihilation gut, too. Everything he does is disturbing as heck.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, that is disturbing. I am a fan of The Matrix, obviously, and I'm a big fan of Minority Report. I think that was a movie ahead of its time, honestly.
Jerod Santo
For sure. You know what was good? Looper. Did you guys see Looper?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, that's a good one.
Jerod Santo
That's a good one. I mean, maybe not top five, but good.
Adam Stacoviak
I mean, if there's a time travel movie out there, I'm gonna watch it. And that's not like your typical time travel movie, but there's time involved. And it's really interesting.
Jerod Santo
Yeah. I would say that I kind of get -- I get mad at time travel movies, because it's so hard to do well, and to do right... And there's always problems... But Looper actually has a pretty good consistency to it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, they don't bother explaining the mechanism too much, which I like.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, exactly. Like, it's not the main point. It's just there.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's like a small little story, really.
Jerod Santo
Exactly.
Breakmaster Cylinder
It just -- it also happens to be true that you can --
Jerod Santo
Which - you kind of have to do that, because the more you make it about the time travel, the more you think about it, the more the concepts break down, you know?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. Yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
There's still parts of Tenet I cannot understand, to this day.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Are we sure that's a good movie?
Jerod Santo
Which to me is a sign of a bad movie.
Adam Stacoviak
\[unintelligible 01:08:03.22\] that's a good movie. I might pour you out into the trash.
Jerod Santo
Oh...!
Adam Stacoviak
\[laughs\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, no...! My sauce!
Jerod Santo
Don't speak against The Tenet. I agree, I watched it, I did not understand it, and then I went through the podcast with our heavy spoilers friend and Adam, and we talked about it... And I came out thinking, "I don't need to think about that movie ever again." Like, it doesn't really --
Adam Stacoviak
Really? What a shame, Jerod...
Jerod Santo
Nah. There's so many things to think about.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Aren't there a lot of plot twists that are obvious from the first second of the movie? That's what I seem to remember.
Adam Stacoviak
Well...
Breakmaster Cylinder
I'm not here to rag on your movie you like...
Adam Stacoviak
It's too deep to go into. It's got a lot of layers. I'm not saying it's the best movie ever, but it's definitely -- when you compare time travel movies of all time travel movies, in my opinion, that movie will go down in history as one of the most difficult to pull off, and a masterpiece, when compared to time travel movies. As a movie and plot, not absolutely the best movie ever... But really well done with time. Like, you can't deny that from that movie.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I value your opinion and assessment.
Adam Stacoviak
Oh, it's solid. I mean, they did a great job with it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I'll watch it again, because if you like it... Yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
Even from a shooting standpoint, a cinematography standpoint, it's super-well done. A lot of detail.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, he's a good filmmaker. I keep wanting something to top Inception, but I feel like that was --
Jerod Santo
Inception was great.
Breakmaster Cylinder
I feel like that movie gets ragged on a bit, but that was my favorite Nolan probably.
Jerod Santo
I liked it a lot. Well, Memento for me is still his best, but...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, yeah.
Jerod Santo
Talk about good execution on a good idea... I mean, that was a good idea that's hard to pull off, and he pulled it off well.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Seriously.
Jerod Santo
Yeah. Yeah.
Breakmaster Cylinder
That should be too hard to keep track of when you're watching it, but you could just barely hold the thread...
Jerod Santo
Yeah, I mean, you can follow it though. They do a good job of just pulling you along.
Adam Stacoviak
\[01:10:03.20\] At the end though there's no resolution. You're kind of just like where you began, in a way.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah... There's a realization.
Adam Stacoviak
No, I mean no resolution. There's a realization, of course. You realize what's happening. But there's no resolution to the challenge that he's dealing with as a character. Like, you're just gonna keep repeating.
Jerod Santo
Yeah, exactly.
Adam Stacoviak
And you kind of feel bad for him, because it's perpetual. It's not going to end.
Jerod Santo
Spoiler alert, by the way...
Adam Stacoviak
Well, I don't think we spoiled anything, really. We just --
Jerod Santo
You just spoiled the end.
Breakmaster Cylinder
He's totally screwed...
Jerod Santo
You just said there's no resolution. He's gonna continue to live on with it.
Adam Stacoviak
That doesn't describe anything though.
Jerod Santo
If you watch the first 15 minutes, now you know what the problem is, and then you remember what Adam said, and now you know that the solution doesn't happen.
Adam Stacoviak
But you don't know the details...
Jerod Santo
I'm gonna drop a spoiler horn, is my point.
Adam Stacoviak
Okay, drop a spoiler horn.
Jerod Santo
I will.
Adam Stacoviak
That's fine with me.
Jerod Santo
That's all.
Adam Stacoviak
We need a mini spoiler horn, because they're not always big spoiler horns.
Jerod Santo
That reminds me, BMC made our spoiler horn for us.
Adam Stacoviak
I know.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Did I?
Jerod Santo
Yeah, you did. You made us seven spoiler horns. \[laughter\]
Adam Stacoviak
Play that spoiler horn, Jerod. Can you play it?
Jerod Santo
I think I only use one of them...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Like a klaxon, or like a horn?
Jerod Santo
No, we wanted it to be like a -- it's almost like here comes steamboat... I actually can't play it right now, because I'm dialed in a different soundboard. But you'll remember it when you hear it. It kind of sounds like "Here comes a giant freight boat." You know, it's gonna hit a bridge.
Adam Stacoviak
And there's like a stutter out.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Is it a fog horn?
Jerod Santo
Yeah, kind of like a fog horn.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Okay, yes, I remember those. I forgot that was the purpose.
Jerod Santo
And then there's stutter-outs, there's some non-tutter-outs... You just gave us different iterations.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah, that sounds right.
Jerod Santo
Anyway, you make so much music and sounds in your life you can't even remember. But you've never made a book. Is this your first book?
Breakmaster Cylinder
\[laughs\] Yes.
Jerod Santo
So exciting. What inspired you to write a book? Why did you decide to do this?
Breakmaster Cylinder
What the book is actually about is nothing I've hinted at, and I just had an idea like 10 years ago, and it's just been mulling in my head... And if I have an idea that sticks with me at least like three months, I will finally just do it. And this was a little more complicated, so it took 10 years.
Jerod Santo
Okay...
Breakmaster Cylinder
It's just, anything I'm obsessed with, then I'm obsessed with it. I do this all the time. I can't focus on anything but it when I'm walking around, so it just happens.
Jerod Santo
Love it. It's like a repeat spider, you know? You just can't get rid of it.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yup. Yup.
Jerod Santo
It just keeps coming back.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Can't flick it away. I know.
Jerod Santo
Alright, BMC... Well, if this episode of our podcast was an airplane in flight - I'm drawing a picture now - how would you as the captain of said airplane, how would you land this plane gracefully?
Breakmaster Cylinder
I don't know how to fly a plane.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
So sorry both of you...
Jerod Santo
Do you know how to end a conversation? Because I fairly don't either.
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, I don't know to --
Jerod Santo
You just make music and books, and you let us land podcast planes.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Yeah. Let neurotypical people --
Jerod Santo
We're typical people?
Breakmaster Cylinder
No, neurotypical people. Let them end conversations.
Jerod Santo
Oh, I see. I couldn't hear what you said.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Do your audience identify as autistic, would you say, largely?
Jerod Santo
Would our audience identify? Well, we can't identify a collective, you know?
Breakmaster Cylinder
Fair.
Jerod Santo
But I'm sure there's probably autistic people in our audience, as there are probably --
Breakmaster Cylinder
I feel like the people that I know who are programmers...
Jerod Santo
There's definitely a higher percentage, I believe, of overlap there. I think \[unintelligible 01:13:28.02\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
Cool.
Jerod Santo
Adam, you're neurotypical, I think. I don't know what that means exactly every time... But can you land this podcast plane?
Adam Stacoviak
I can. And I will.
Jerod Santo
Okay.
Adam Stacoviak
I will land it by saying 1, 2, 3, 4. You are now in my trance, and this is the end of the podcast.
Jerod Santo
\[laughs\]
Adam Stacoviak
I'm just kidding! That was actually a good line... You have lyrics in this one. Drum and Space. I'll leave with that. Because that to me is probably one of the best recent beats you've made, in my opinion.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Oh, yeah.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah, Drum and Space was pretty awesome. Have you seen this one yet, Jerod?
Jerod Santo
I think so. Does it say 1, 2, 3, 4?
Adam Stacoviak
It does say that.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Those are some lyrics, man...
Adam Stacoviak
\[unintelligible 01:14:10.02\]
Breakmaster Cylinder
It took me about four seconds to write.
Jerod Santo
I love that one. I would use that.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. I mean, it's just the best. It's the best.
Jerod Santo
So we're gonna end it with that.
Adam Stacoviak
Yeah. This is the new outro track for this track, at least. We'll end this show with Drum and Space.
Jerod Santo
There you go.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Okay. Beautiful.
Adam Stacoviak
So bye. Thank you, BMC, for being the Mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder, the beats freak in residence, the ultimate beatmaker of all time, the sauce I pour on all my favorite podcasts...
Jerod Santo
The conditioner that we put on our episodes...
Adam Stacoviak
You special three in one you... Oh, my gosh. Shake you up and pour you out.
Breakmaster Cylinder
Thanks, everybody...
Adam Stacoviak
Bye, friends.
Jerod Santo
Bye, friends...
Breakmaster Cylinder
Bye!
