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Along the way, he opines on the recent AWS outage, debates whether we're in an AI-induced bubble, quells any concerns of AGI and a robot uprising, eats some humble pie, and more.","https://op3.dev/e/https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/podcast/664/the-changelog-664.mp3","Thu, 30 Oct 2025 13:00:00 +0000",7420,"https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/covers/changelog-interviews-original.png?v=63848368174","full",{"guid":127,"title":128,"slug":109,"description":129,"audioUrl":130,"pubDate":131,"duration":132,"artwork":124,"episodeType":125},"changelog.com/1/2748","From Chef to System Initiative (remastered) (Interview)","The epic show with Adam Jacob has been remastered! Now with full-length video on YouTube. Adam goes solo with Adam Jacob for an epic pod into his journey to get to System Initiative. From SysAdmin at 8 years old, to discovering Linux and working for Mom-and-pop ISPs, to open source changing his life and starting Opscode and building Chef. Buckle up and enjoy.","https://op3.dev/e/https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/podcast/655/the-changelog-655.mp3","Thu, 21 Aug 2025 16:00:00 +0000",8550,{"guid":134,"title":135,"slug":110,"description":136,"audioUrl":137,"pubDate":138,"duration":139,"artwork":140,"episodeType":125},"changelog.com/17/2513","From Chef to System Initiative (Friends)","Adam Jacob goes solo with Adam for an epic pod into his journey to get to System Initiative. From SysAdmin at 8 years old, to discovering Linux and working for Mom-and-pop ISPs, to open source changing his life and starting Opscode and building Chef. Buckle up. This is a different flavor of \"Friends\" for you. Enjoy.","https://op3.dev/e/https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/friends/55/changelog--friends-55.mp3","Sat, 03 Aug 2024 14:00:00 +0000",8332,"https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/covers/changelog--friends-original.png?v=63848361609",{"guid":142,"title":143,"slug":111,"description":144,"audioUrl":145,"pubDate":146,"duration":147,"artwork":140,"episodeType":125},"changelog.com/17/2414","The ol' hot & juicy (Friends)","Frequent guest (and *almost* real-life-friend) Adam Jacob returns to share his spicy takes on all the recent \"open source meets business\" drama. We also take some time to catch up on the state of his open source-based business, System Initiative.","https://op3.dev/e/https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/friends/41/changelog--friends-41.mp3","Fri, 26 Apr 2024 17:45:00 +0000",6158,{"guid":149,"title":150,"slug":112,"description":151,"audioUrl":152,"pubDate":153,"duration":154,"artwork":124,"episodeType":125},"changelog.com/1/2111","Rebuilding DevOps from the ground up (Interview)","This week we're joined by Adam Jacob and we're talking about his mission at System Initiative to rebuild DevOps. They are out of stealth mode and ready to show off their transformative new power tool that reimagines what's possible from DevOps. It's an intelligent automation platform that allows DevOps teams to build detailed interactive simulations of their infrastructure and use them to rapidly update their production environments.","https://op3.dev/e/https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/podcast/545/the-changelog-545.mp3","Thu, 22 Jun 2023 13:30:00 +0000",5268,{"guid":156,"title":157,"slug":113,"description":158,"audioUrl":159,"pubDate":160,"duration":161,"artwork":124,"episodeType":125},"changelog.com/1/1446","The business model of open source (Interview)","This week we're joined by Adam Jacob, CEO of System Initiative and Co-Founder of Chef, about open source business models and the model he thinks is the right one to choose, his graceful exit from Chef and some of the details behind Chef's acquisition in 2020 for $220 million...in cash, and how his perspective on open source has or has not changed as a result. Adam also shared as much _stealth mode_ details as he could about System Initiative.","https://op3.dev/e/https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/podcast/460/the-changelog-460.mp3","Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:30:00 +0000",4843,{"guid":163,"title":164,"slug":114,"description":165,"audioUrl":166,"pubDate":167,"duration":168,"artwork":124,"episodeType":125},"changelog.com/1/1212","Community perspectives on Elastic vs AWS (Interview)","This week we're talking about the recent falling out between Elastic and AWS around the relicensing of Elasticsearch and Kibana. Like many in the community, we have been watching this very closely.\n\nHere's the tldr for context. On January 21st, Elastic posted a blog post sharing their concerns with Amazon/AWS misleading and confusing the community, saying \"They have been doing things that we think are just NOT OK since 2015 and it has only gotten worse.\" This lead them to relicense Elasticsearch and Kibana with a dual license, a proprietary license and the Sever Side Public License (SSPL). AWS responded two days later stating that they are \"stepping up for a truly open source Elasticsearch,\" and shared their plans to create and maintain forks of Elasticsearch and Kibana based on the latest ALv2-licensed codebases.\n\nThere's a ton of detail and nuance beneath the surface, so we invited a handful of folks on the show to share their perspective. On today's show you'll hear from: Adam Jacob (co-founder and board member of Chef), Heather Meeker (open-source lawyer and the author of the SSPL license), Manish Jain (founder and CTO at Dgraph Labs), Paul Dix (co-founder and CTO at InfluxDB), VM (Vicky) Brasseur (open source & free software business strategist), and Markus Stenqvist (everyday web dev from Sweden).","https://op3.dev/e/https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/podcast/429/the-changelog-429.mp3","Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:00:00 +0000",6400,{"guid":170,"title":171,"slug":115,"description":172,"audioUrl":173,"pubDate":174,"duration":175,"artwork":124,"episodeType":125},"changelog.com/1/747","The war for the soul of open source (Interview)","Adam Jacob (co-founder and board member of Chef) joins the show to talk about the keynote he’s giving at OSCON this week. The keynote is titled \"The war for the soul of open source.\" We talked about what made open source great in the first place, what went wrong, the pitfalls of open core models, licensing, and more.\n\nBy the way, we’re at OSCON this week so if you make your way to the expo hall, make sure you come by our booth and say hi.","https://op3.dev/e/https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/https://cdn.changelog.com/uploads/podcast/353/the-changelog-353.mp3","Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:05:00 +0000",5459,1771793528697]